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Sorry but it's another present one - Christmas and birthdays though. How do I tell my family that this is the last year?

39 replies

DBN1 · 19/12/2018 18:49

I live outside of the UK. Can't work. Husband works just above minimum wage job (£270 p/m at today's exchange rate). We live month to month.
In the past I had a lot more money, always treated my family well with expensive presents (think £200 minimum for my son and at least £80/90 per parent).
Obviously I can't do this anymore and over the last 2-3 years I have reduced the spending a bit (even though I feel really mean) but this Christmas has taken me down to a credit of only £5 in my bank account, after I cancelled 2 direct debits. If I hadn't cancelled them I'd have been overdrawn.
I realise this can't carry on. I have zero personal income, my husband can't afford to subsidise me for this and, to be totally honest, I don't see why I should keep spending money that's for my future.
To explain: I sold my UK property, split the proceeds between my son and myself. He bought a HTB property with his half, I bought a property here and kept some money in the bank. Half I put into an ISA, half stayed in my current account. That's the one that's almost empty.
Two weeks ago I asked my son what he wanted for Christmas but told him I couldn't afford what I normally would have spent. He asked for something that was £65 so I agreed. With delivery and taxes it came to £98.
I ordered a couple of things for my parents that came to around the same amount. So now my account is very light (!!) and I just don't want to carry on doing this.
How do I tell them (after Christmas) that I just can't do it anymore?
Also, I send Mother's & Father's Day presents too so, in all, it's eight lots of gifts throughout the year. On no income.

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Namechangeforthiscancershit · 19/12/2018 18:50

You definitely DEFINITELY can’t spend more than your monthly family income on presents. That is nuts.

How old is your son?

AssassinatedBeauty · 19/12/2018 18:51

Just explain as you have here, and they will surely understand? No family member would want you to get into debt in order to get them presents?

You have been very very generous in the past, but that doesn't mean you're locked into doing so forever!

DBN1 · 19/12/2018 19:07

Namechangeforthiscancershit The money I spent is "mine", as is, not from my husband's wages. I agree though, when I calculate the amount from £ to lical currency it's ridiculous!

My son is 21 now.

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Namechangeforthiscancershit · 19/12/2018 19:09

Sorry I should have said the equivalent of your monthly income. It’s still a huge amount.

21 should be old enough to understand, and you have been very generous helping him to buy a property

Avrannakern · 19/12/2018 19:10

Surely they know your situation. Just tell them you can't afford it. Stop spending money you don't have.

And maybe make some plans for the future... find a way to make an income.

DBN1 · 19/12/2018 19:13

AssassinatedBeauty I was always able to be generous and I suppose I could be guilty of spoiling my son, because I could. My parents, throughout my life always spent big on presents so I felt that I had to do the same but, I just can't justify it now. What you said is correct, I feel that I'm locked into spending those amounts.
Would I expect them to use up their savings (with no income), absolutely not.
A good few years back I suggested that they (my parents) only buy for my son as I was struggling. The response I got was "oh, so we'll never get presents again?". So it carried on.....

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NewishMum85 · 19/12/2018 19:13

Have you seen this video OP? You might find it helpful.

mobile.twitter.com/martinslewis/status/1045000160441499649?lang=en

UhUhUhDennis · 19/12/2018 19:13

It's your son and your parents -explain exactly your financial situation and stop sending any presents. Send cards with heartfelt words and tell them the truth in this kind of detail if you need to and because they love you and assuming they're not grabby they'll be fine with that.

DBN1 · 19/12/2018 19:16

Avrannakern I don't think they do realise, or just haven't thought to themselves "its lovely that DBN1 gets us such great gifts. How does she do it?". It wouldn't even enter their heads unfortunately.

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DBN1 · 19/12/2018 19:26

Thank you NewishMum85, I've seen that and totally agree. I'm tempted to send it to my parents but I don't think they'd take it too well Grin
Namechangeforthiscancershit I did explain to him the "zero coming in, still lots going out" situation and he did understand, then asked for a present that was more than I could afford but I felt so mean about saying no.
In my OP I mentioned figures (pre selling up, those were for "main presents". Truth be told I spent a heck of a lot more each time.
It's more my parents I'm worried about not understanding but they are both pensioners now and I'm sure they would rather keep their own money too but, as I've mentioned, the last time I brought this subject up it didn't go down well.

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DBN1 · 19/12/2018 19:31

UhUhUhDennis Going forward that's what I want/need to do, I just don't know how they'll take it. Also, I just feel so mean because they always did their best for me, my brother and my son.
I still want to send cards, maybe even a small (although not inexpensive when cargo us added!) gift when I can. I just can't cope with the expectation.

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masterandmargarita · 19/12/2018 19:37

Why do you need to tell them anything? And I don't ask anyone what they want. They get what they're given

Bumbumtaloo · 19/12/2018 19:51

I would just tell them that you cannot afford to continue sending gifts.

My dad lives in Canada and because of the postal fees etc I no longer send gifts from the UK to him. I do send gifts directly from Amazon.ca to him though, so much easier. If you did want to continue sending a small something to them is that an option for you?

DBN1 · 19/12/2018 19:53

masterandmargarita Because next time a gifting occasion comes around (my birthday actually but my father's a few days after) I want them to realise why they're not getting what they normally would. I also don't want them spending on me.
I asked my son what he wanted because I didn't have a clue what he'd like. Better that than waste my money on something inappropriate. I didn't ask my parents.... I went rogue Grin

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DBN1 · 19/12/2018 19:56

Bumbumtaloo Not really from here. Also, anything I do spend in the future is coming out of my "retirement fund". I don't know how long I'll live so I don't know how long it's got to last me. When my husband retires and we can move I'd like to have some money left to enjoy.

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DBN1 · 19/12/2018 20:05

I've got to got to bed now (3 hours ahead here) but if anyone would help me create a message to send in a few weeks time, I'd really appreciate it.

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Lifeofsmiley · 19/12/2018 20:08

Dear such and such
After a change in our circumstances we have decided we are no longer participating in exchanging gifts. We hope you understand our decision but if not tough!

DBN1 · 19/12/2018 20:11

Lifeofsmiley Too formal and then....to blunt! I like it though Grin

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Lifeofsmiley · 19/12/2018 20:17

Sometimes you need to be a bit blunt to get the message across.
I’ve revolutionised Christmas this year by saying to people I’m not participating in gifts. And they are all delighted too

AuntMarch · 19/12/2018 20:19

Mum and Dad,

Over the years I have really enjoyed exchanging gifts with you both, but unfortunately my current circumstances mean I am no longer able to participate. I would appreciate if you could respect this and refrain from buying me gifts too.

Thank you in advance for being so understanding, as I know you will be,

X

DBN1 · 19/12/2018 20:22

That just wouldn't go down well with my lot. The thing is, I'm sure my parents would probably prefer to not have to think of what they can send to me each time but I (think) I know they couldn't stop themselves which puts the pressure on me too.
With regards to my son, I just feel mean although I know that IABU with that.

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Lifeofsmiley · 19/12/2018 20:22

Yours is definitely better than mine aunt

DBN1 · 19/12/2018 20:25

AuntMarch I could tweak/personalise that and make it work (I hope!). Thank you Flowers

Can I ask, how would you/any posters feel if you were the parents in this situation?

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pantyclaws · 19/12/2018 20:25

I would say, "hi mum and dad, money's tight at the moment so I'd really appreciate it if we can stop getting each other birthday and Christmas gifts after X date. I really can't afford to get into debt by buying presents and I'd feel awful you still buying me things when I am unable to get you anything. I hope you understand and if circumstances change perhaps we can review the agreement? Lots of love, xxx

LyraLieIn · 19/12/2018 20:26

Could you suggest a £5 charity shop or homemade present challenge instead of stopping altogether?

That can require just as much thought and effort and showing you care whilst protecting your bank balance a bit