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To hate dog crates?

122 replies

DannyOD · 18/12/2018 10:31

I used to use one myself but I looked at her in there in day like a little prisoner and I just thought No!!! Ready to be flamed but there you go Smile

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DonaldDucksTowel · 18/12/2018 11:34

No hence why I said ‘running around feral’ as well as talking about toilet training Hmm

You said you don’t think people who use crates train their dogs, and are now saying you didn’t so I’m going to go with stupid Grin

starcrossedseahorse · 18/12/2018 11:36

So - crates used as dog beds which are open all the time and are a quiet place for the dog or as a safe travelling option I have no issues with.

What I hate to hear about is poor dogs locked in for most of the day and night or puppies locked in and left to cry. That is cruelty.

As a warning to crate users, please ensure that your dog is not wearing a collar when in their crate as it can be fatal.

Dottierichardson · 18/12/2018 11:42

Makeahouseahome totally agree with you, if a dog is properly trained and secure why would they need to be put in a cage? And calling it a crate means nothing, you can call a prison a detention centre or a holding facility, it's still a prison.

We have dog beds in all the main rooms my dog chooses which one she fancies according to her mood - or sleeps with us - most of the time she chooses to be with whichever one's nearest us, sometimes she uses one in another room...Her sleeping habits demonstrate that she prefers to move around at night and sleep/nap in different spots depending on her mood, why restrict her?

As for returning to them voluntarily. People who've been in long-stay homes/institutions often don't want to leave them, it's called institutionalisation, doesn't mean that they are happier in enclosed institutions just that being restricted has become ingrained.

I think crates are particularly problematic if they are not big enough to allow standing, full stretches, and so on...older dogs with arthritis find it very hard to get comfortable and move around a lot in their sleep and in waking between naps...a crate would be extremely uncomfortable.

At some point no doubt the old red herring about dogs sleeping in dens will come up, a myth that's been a great marketing tool for the crate industry, but the people bringing it up will conveniently forget that: dogs have evolved so habits traced back over thousands of years will not be relevant; dogs in dens slept in packs so not cut off from other contact; dens were chosen not imposed and were most often large spaces like caves which dogs could enter and leave freely, not restrictive wire cages.

The only use that I can think of that's got a point to it that benefits the dog is when they have an injury and movement needs to be restricted, having said that when our dog had major surgery, we took turns to be/sleep with her downstairs so we could carry her out to pee etc...until she recovered and she recovered brilliantly.

Bambamber · 18/12/2018 11:42

Depends how they're are used. We have one that is left open at all times so our dog is free to go in and out as she pleases.

starcrossedseahorse · 18/12/2018 11:46

Dottie completely agree about how dogs sleep. Cramped and locked in is the opposite of what they need.

Trampire · 18/12/2018 11:48

My dog is 4 and we've only just managed to break him away from his crate.

We used it when he was a pup and always left the door open in the day and shut the door at night. He treated it like his 'room' and would go in there if he felt poorly or needed a bit of space.

We tried leaving the door open at night too so he could wander around but he used to bark until we shut it.

These days he sleeps in a basket in our room, which seemed to get the only way he would give up the crate.

I'd say they're good if they're used properly - not as actual 'cages'

DontMakeMeShushYou · 18/12/2018 11:49

YABU.

We have a crate which DDog uses as her safe space. The door is never shut and she is allowed to roam freely around the house. She likes to sleep on the armchairs and on the end of my bed at night so she's pretty spoiled. But the sofa/chairs/bed/floor are our space too and sometimes she wants to be on her own especially if she has a treat. Carrots are prized food and must always be taken to her crate to be eaten

Dottierichardson · 18/12/2018 11:50

Starcrossedseahorse totally agree with you, and your earlier comments, think that people anthropomorphise and assume dogs have similar sleeping habits to them, hence small spaces and cushions like a human bed seem to them appealing so assume must be best for their dog, but dogs have a wide range of sleeping habits and different needs.

Lazypuppy · 18/12/2018 11:50

I'm with you OP, i hate them and would never ever use one

Deadbudgie · 18/12/2018 11:52

Personally we don't use one - the dog has the free run of the house. Ive no issue with using them fs the door is left open so the dog can come and go or in very extreme cases closed FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME
where the dog is likely to damage itself by inappropriate chewing.

Ive only got to look at our dog who sleeps in different areas, depending on heat, sunlight etc to see she would be less happy locked in a crate. We did have one for a while but she never used it (our 6 year old loved it though).

I'm not always convinced about the safety of some crates in cars either.

ilovecherries · 18/12/2018 11:53

I was planning to get rid of our crate for space reasons as soon as dog was passed puppy stage. 11 years later it’s still taking up floor space. I can’t even remember the last time we closed the door, years ago, I think. She is never ‘sent’ to it, she goes in and out as she pleases. I’ve always had a dog, this was the first time we’ve had a crate and would have no hesitation about using one again with any future dog.

starcrossedseahorse · 18/12/2018 11:53

Dont glad it's not just my gang who love a good carrot! Grin

mydogisthebest · 18/12/2018 11:56

I have 2 dogs and 2 enormous dog crates in my living room. I would like to get rid of them but my dogs choose to lay in a crate 9 times out of 10 over the sofas and a lovely soft comfy dog bed.

I got one dog at 9 weeks old. His breeder had dog crates but pup had NEVER been locked in one. From the first day we got him he would go in the crate by choice. Yes we did close it at night although for the first couple of weeks we took it in turns to sleep downstairs with the crate next to us. We lived in a completely open plan house and it was impossible to make it completely safe for a puppy so had to restrict him at night.

We planned to get rid of the crate once he was a year old. He is now coming up for 7 and we won't get rid because we know he likes it.

Our other dog was a rescue with an horrendous story. We never ever put him in the crate but he kept choosing to go in as I think he felt safe there.

Often when one dog was in the crate the other would cry because they wanted to go in so we bought another crate.

Makeahouse and Dottie, some owners may use crates wrongly but please do not accuse all dog owners using crates to be cruel or not having trained their dogs properly. You are both talking rubbish

DontMakeMeShushYou · 18/12/2018 11:58

Starcrossed Grin

I made a roast last week and discovered she's quite partial to raw parsnip too.

Dottierichardson · 18/12/2018 11:58

What I don't get is all this talk of 'safety' what is it about these dogs' living arrangements that means they don't feel safe in the house in general? Mine flops down and sleeps all over the house, she feels safe because it's her home...as did my previous dog, my husband's previous dogs and his family's dogs.

ilovecherries · 18/12/2018 11:58

We do have beds for her all over the house as well, which she moves between day and night, but now she’s losing her sight the crate seems her preferred option unless there is a free lap to fit on.

StarShapedWindow · 18/12/2018 11:59

Well obviously they’re good for some dogs and not others. I really hate the way people who don’t use them get on their high horse and tell others that do use them that they’re cruel and that those people don’t understand their dogs - you have to accept some dogs would be put into dogs homes and would be unable to be re-homed if not for the use of a ‘cage’ as you like to call it. I have a very well behaved spaniel so I don’t need a crate but some people are dealing with dogs that have been damaged and are doing the best they can - these owners may need a crate. Don’t be so judgemental.

EmUntitled · 18/12/2018 12:00

I don't think it's any different to putting a toddler in a cot or playpen that they can't get out of.

Do you let your child wander around the house at night and sleep where they want? Toddlers are more intelligent than dogs.

Coloursthatweremyjoy · 18/12/2018 12:05

We had one when dog was a puppy. I didn't lock the door unless we went out (chewer) but he often chose to go there especially with two young children charging about the place. It was huge so I didn't keep it for long but he has one of those plastic beds now. He can lie out anywhere, he has free range but he likes to curl up in that ...snoring there now actually. Like a PP said all treats must be taken to the bed and I didn't teach him that.

GemmeFatale · 18/12/2018 12:05

I raise Guide dogs. Beautifully trained, working dogs who must be crated trained as part of the training program. I’m amused to discover the crate training element means I must not be bothering to train the dogs properly.

And a crate should never be cramped. If a dog is cramped in a crate the crate is too small. You have to pick the right item for the dog. Same as you wouldn’t put a Great Dane in a collar for a terrier. That doesn’t make collars bag, it makes the person using the wrong product an idiot.

GemmeFatale · 18/12/2018 12:05

*bad

starcrossedseahorse · 18/12/2018 12:09

Star it is possible that some damaged dogs might benefit from an enclosed (not closed) safe space. I think that those people who are not fans of crates are making it very clear that the misuse of crates is the most concerning issue. An open and accessible crate is not the issue here is it?

Em I am really not sure what your toddler point is meant to prove?

Dottierichardson · 18/12/2018 12:09

You are both talking rubbish Actually there're more than two people who don't like crates on this thread although majorities don't mean that people are necessarily right - Brexit a case in point - you lost me when you made the remark I've quoted...people who resort to abuse or defensive ad hominem attacks are not ones I find it worth listening to...if you're so convinced you're right why resort to abuse?

starcrossedseahorse · 18/12/2018 12:11

Gemme again, it is the misuse of crates that is the issue surely?

Dottierichardson · 18/12/2018 12:13

Gemmefatale interesting point about guide dogs but simply saying that it's done isn't an argument for doing something, what's the rationale? Based on what evidence/research, what are the alternatives? And so on. It used to be considered appropriate to train with choke chains, for years it was the norm, and some people still advocate it, just because a programme requires something doesn't mean that it's right or that it should be extended to non-working dogs. Hounds live in kennels outside does that mean that all family dogs should live in kennels?