To think some parents would complain about any punishment?

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I have seen so many posts on here complaining about the way in which their child was punished by the school. I have read complaints about extra work, litter picking, isolation, loss of a treat, detention and a bollocking as methods of punishment.
I have come to the conclusion that some parents would complain about any punishment their child got, whatever that punishment was.

I'd be happy for internal exclusions to be extended to kids who disrupt lessons but no for kids who don't stare at the teacher the whole time

Yes and generations of children had their learning disrupted by a handful of prats pissing about.

True, and this still goes on, but in none of the threads on punishments I've read on here recently has this actually been the alleged offence.

And the OP in the acorn-throwing incident said many times over that she didn't object to the punishment in principle, but the way it was implemented, and I think this is in fact often the case.

Op you are correct

I agree op. Parents would rather believe their child that they were punished harshly for nothing or practically nothing than accept the likelihood their child was being a pita. Does the kid no good in the long run.

I work in a school. I readily admit that sometimes, despite our best efforts, we get it wrong. Balancing the individual needs of 1,200 kids is not an easy task. On the other hand, there are some parents who are unwilling or unable to recognise that their child's behaviour has crossed a line and will continually make excuses for them or seek to blame others. I've known parents continue to believe their child's version of events even when confronted with irrefutable evidence to the contrary such as CCTV footage.

Unfortunately, the parents who constantly undermine the school (telling me "there's no way my child is going into isolation/apologising/doing detention" etc, even refusing to send them into school to evade consequences) are often the same parents who then end up ringing me in a panic demanding the school "do something" because their child is trashing their house/getting into trouble in the local community/refusing to come into school.

MonaLisaDoesntSmile

Why can’t children with SEN be punished?

@Claw001
Depending on what it is, on some cases (mis)behaving is a result of the condition or developmental disability, so f.ex. some behaviours are a result of autims, and students can't control their behaviour in the same way as their peers- and in many cases I would not use the same system of sanctions as for students without SEN. I would not give a detention to a student who does not work but I know suffers from severe chronic fatigue. Sometimes adjustments need to be made. But sometimes he actions are very much deliberate and students abuse school rules because they know nothing will every happen to them.

I’m still not getting it!

If a child with SEN does something deliberately, which is not as a result of their disabilities, why can’t they be punished?

Reasonable adjustments would be for the things a child finds difficult. Why would you make reasonable adjustments if a child had no difficulty in that area?

@Claw001 The issue is, it is sometimes hard to prove if it was deliberate or not- and you can;t really prove it one way or another. And sometimes parents/overprotective tutors/SENCOs fight for a detention to be taken off as it's not student' fault they did whatever. Sometimes the condition means students have difficulty distinguishing the boundaries (so I had a student who was very, very rude to teachers, but being high on the spectrum she simply did not comprehend that the way she spoke was rude, or what it even meant to be rude).

If a child with SEN does something deliberately, which is not as a result of their disabilities, why can’t they be punished?

They can be and they frequently are! The reasonable adjustments come in where the rule cannot in fairness be applied in the same way because of a child's particular difficulties. There is no blank cheque for a child with SEN to go around merrily flouting rules because they are immune.

What is your point exactly?

Ds used to get calls home now and again for chatting way too much in class and sometimes being rude to the teachers. I supported the teacher 100% in whatever way they decided to punish him and made sure I told my ds I was. I also made sure ds got ear load and he had punishment at home for his crappy behaviour too. He calmed down a lot by the end of his GCSE year and did pretty well. Went on to do great a levels and now I’m uni. Teachers need the support of parents.

Depends on the circumstances, I've seen some threads where OP think the sun shines out of there children's arses, and how dare they upset there little stars, but others where there is unjust carried out.

50/50 really, and considering AIBU is you agree or not, its pretty on par.

I’ve read some of these threads, which only ever portray one side of the story. I’ve said to myself this would never happen in my lovely school.

What is important to know is the ethos of the school, and the policies which support the ethos, and then whether the staff are implementing their own policies.

If the parent does not agree with the policies, why did they buy into the ethos of the school? The only leg they have to stand on is (wrongful) staff action in implementing the policies.

Greensleeves my point exactly, is I’m trying to understand what monalisadoesntsmile is saying!

I have unfortunately taught SEN students who were no angels and whose parents would use SEN as a way for them to get out of the most horrific situations. There is a fine line between having a compulsion to do something, and doing something evil on purpose and enjoying it

I’m trying to work out how Monalisa establishes the difference between deliberate misbehaving or as a result of disability!

Monalisadoesntsmile

it is sometimes hard to prove if it was deliberate or not- and you can;t really prove it one way or another

Again I’m still not getting it! If you cannot tell if it’s deliberate or not, how do you know they have misbehaved deliberately?!