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To raise a formal complaint regarding school isolation

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HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 07/12/2018 19:13

Last week a group of 20-30 kids were throwing acorns at each other in the school playing field, a child who also throwing the acorns, got hit in the eye which I've been led to believe required medical treatment, teacher asked who hit the child and DS said he believed it was his acorn, and that he was sorry, and did not mean to cause anyone harm.

He was given a days isolation plus after school detention, however on the day with only 10 mins notice.

His head of year called and said as he admitted it was him, they had no choice to follow the isolation process, however admitted they thought it was harsh, however rules and rules which we will adhere to and support the school with.

DS has NEVER been in isolation.

My AIBU is, Ds was made to sit in a 2 by 4 booth, being made to sit upright and face a white wall for the whole of the school day. NO SCHOOL WORK WAS GIVEN AT ALL

He could not tell the supervisor he had no course work as he isn't allowed to talk while in isolation, and tbh nor should even have to ask for course work, its the supervisors role to ensure DS has course work, which is the policy in DS school.

Only one teacher called the isolation supervisor to ask if DS was present, however did not send course work, not one of his other 4 teachers called to ask if he was present.

The isolation supervisor has confirmed all of the above is true Hmm his HOY has advised us that they have passed it on to the isolation manager who will be calling me, however even after chasing it up everyday for the past week and leaving messages for them to call me I am still awaiting the phone call.

My own DS ended up requiring medical treatment as he endured a headache with sickness and sensitivity to light, ds has never had a migraine before isolation, which the A&E doctors advised was the cause.

OP posts:
Malaco · 09/12/2018 18:14

It's understandable that teachers might not have time to read emails about who needs isolation work and sort some out for them. Maybe they could have a pile of general worksheets at different levels for the kids to get on with. Basic Maths/English tasks.

Malaco · 09/12/2018 18:15

In the isolation room

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 09/12/2018 18:17

I believe its on the harsh side, but apparently we should not challenge teachers and school policies because it will make there lives harder.Hmm

OP posts:
Iamrightok · 09/12/2018 18:19

Smileeachday
I agree.
OP you should definitely speak to the school about the lack of work provided for your son.
But to start using inflammatory language like abuse and teachers ars the abusers is unfair when you were aware of the schools isolation room policy when you enrolled your son. Another student was sent to the isolation room for poor behaviour against your son (perhaps he had now work either) but you didnt complain about that. You can’t now say that sitting in a booth, not speaking and sitting up straight is abuse!

C8H10N4O2 · 09/12/2018 18:24

ODFOD

Ah, the intellectual argument.

If you read my posts I have said nothing that demonises young people.

I'm citing an well known phenomenon which goes back at least to Socrates.

One which is recurring in this thread as posters talk about the current generation as if the previous was better behaved. The word "demonise" is notable absent from the post, perhaps you confused it with another.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 09/12/2018 18:28

I didn't complain about the child who beat my child when they were in isolation last year, because I mean parents are just allowed to walk into the school and sit while children are in isolation....

OH WAIT...

OP posts:
SmileEachDay · 09/12/2018 18:29

C8H10N4O2

I was paraphrasing. I wasn’t going for intellectual; I was going for an expression of annoyance at your insinuation.

Also:
The PA patronising crap is really irritating.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 09/12/2018 18:32

You can’t now say that sitting in a booth, not speaking and sitting up straight is abuse!

Dont you just love when people minimise a course of action, if only the ^ was that simple.

brick wall

OP posts:
dippledorus · 09/12/2018 18:42

Did you complain last year when another child was put in isolation?

Of course not, because that wasn’t your child. That was a punishment for something that was done on your child so it was fair dos.

BachAtTheMoon · 09/12/2018 19:04

I think some of you are just hard of reading. Where has the OP said she disagrees with isolation? She just wanted him to have some work whilst he is there!

Just as an aside. How many of you sterling examples of humanity who agree with isolation as a sanction are also ok with isolation being used as holding pens for sen children? Which is a real issue despite your insistence that it is 'Not abuse'..

Wolfiefan · 09/12/2018 19:16

You’re not actually making an argument. You’re just being rude.
Wonder why he actually ended up in isolation?
Pity the teachers. Those subject to daily abuse and constant pressure to achieve results. Any consequence they issue is an abuse of the child’s rights or downright torture. Ridiculous.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 09/12/2018 19:19

The kids throwing acorns were being silly, but OPs DC was not punished for throwing an acorn. He was punished for throwing an acorn at another pupils head and injuring their eye. It was not an 'accident' because he threw the acorn on purpose.

Punishment for a minor physical assault in school is 1 day inclusion, just the same as if it was a stone thrown or a punch thrown. Unless of course you subscribe to the excuse "I was just throwing my hands around in the air & he walked into my fists, its not my fault".

Did he spend all day in his PE kit? If not then he had time to get changed and get his schoolbag from the locker before going to inclusion.

When we hear from the inclusion officer I will be very very surprised if he says, "Yes your DC was forced to stare at a bright white wall for 7 hours and nothing else".

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 09/12/2018 19:29

he did not throw a acorn at another child's head, and it he did not assault anyone! Hmm loving the overkill embroidery

its been confirmed by his HOY that this is exactly what happened, so erm Hmm

selective reading again

OP posts:
Wolfiefan · 09/12/2018 19:34

Still no argument.
I’ve already said I think exclusion was an overreaction here. Sounds like a minor thing unless he was extremely rude to staff when spoken to about his behaviour which doesn’t seem to have been the case.
You still don’t say how the school adhering to their policy would have made any difference to his health.
You’re just looking for an excuse to be angry.

dippledorus · 09/12/2018 19:34

his actions could have blinded the other child.

And if you weren’t complaining last year, you really don’t have a leg to stand on.

Why didn’t he have his school Bag?

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 09/12/2018 19:42

Again not once person has said they would be happy their child be subjected to this treatment! funny that!

I'l update those who are wanting an update when I have one, I'm really not going to re-harsh and repeat myself because posters cannot be arsed to read the thread or embellish the facts!

OP posts:
dippledorus · 09/12/2018 19:45

If your child had behaved himself they wouldn’t have been put in isolation.

CecilyP · 09/12/2018 19:49

^Did you complain last year when another child was put in isolation?

Of course not, because that wasn’t your child. That was a punishment for something that was done on your child so it was fair dos.^

This is getting ridiculous now.OP just gave it as an example how the same punishment is used for 2 different things; one proportionate, one not. Why would OP object to the punishment of another pupil; a punishment that was much more deserved. She also, at that time, had little idea of what was involved regarding work provided or lack of it. As it is actually school policy to provide work, before she knew better, OP could safely assume work was providedfor the other pupil.

Wolfiefan · 09/12/2018 19:51

If my child misbehaved I would be cross with them and not with the school.
“Subjected”? To what?
What difference would it have made if the school had provided work? You’ve not answered that question.

CecilyP · 09/12/2018 19:55

^You’re not actually making an argument. You’re just being rude.
Wonder why he actually ended up in isolation?^

Have you not thought that OP might be upset? More than was obvious from her first post. If OP is coming across as rude, you are coming across as beyond insensitive.

SnuggyBuggy · 09/12/2018 19:57

All the children's actions could have resulted in blindness. No need to single him out

Walkingdeadfangirl · 09/12/2018 19:57

he did not throw a acorn at another child's head
So how did the acorn get from his hand into the other pupils eye? Did the HOY actually witness the acorn teleport through midair, and why was your DS punished if he didn't actually throw the acorn? Was he lying when he admitted guilt?

Again not once person has said they would be happy their child be subjected to this treatment! funny that!
Yes I would accept my DC being punished in inclusion if he had throw something at someones head and potentially blinded them.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/12/2018 20:00

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend
hmm loving the overkill embroidery

In the same way that isolation has been embellished to torture etc?

CecilyP · 09/12/2018 20:01

The kids throwing acorns were being silly, but OPs DC was not punished for throwing an acorn. He was punished for throwing an acorn at another pupils head and injuring their eye. It was not an 'accident' because he threw the acorn on purpose.

Weren't all the other kids throwing acorns on purpose? They didn't just fly out of their hands automatically. It was an accident because he did not intend to cause injury and any one of those kids could have caused an injury by their behaviour.

Wolfiefan · 09/12/2018 20:02

Upset? Yes.
Lashing out at the school who have punished behaviour they felt was unacceptable? Not helpful.
Question the lack of work. Fine.
But the ridiculous hyperbole about children being subjected to torture? Utter BS.