Vaping around baby

[Crema]

I left my 6 week old baby with my friend of 10 years + for 30 minutes whilst I went to an appointment about my PND.

When I came home, I noticed her front room was hazy. I asked her why it was smokey and she said she had started vaping and not to worry because it isn't harmful etc etc.

I got really annoyed with her and took DS home without staying for tea.

She's since sent me a link to say that passive vaping isn't dangerous. It's not a reputable article.

AIBU to be really upset with her for having my baby in a room filled with vape smoke? Am I being silly? Is it really not harmful?

I'm in such a daze right now I'm struggling to see right from wrong...

I'm an advocate for vaping and do genuinely believe it to be mostly non harmful

I wouldn't vape around a baby though

Your friend is only following the advice of public health England and their claims for it to be 95% safer than smoking and I believe they have also issued guidance on secondary vape so I wouldn't be angry with her

BTW crema is the name of a very popular e-juice

You have every right to be upset.
The answer to is it harmful is that we don't know. Vaping has not been around long enough to do good quality studies to know the harms if any especially to babies.
I would not anyone vaping around me let alone a baby who can't walk away from the smell.
You are completely in the right.

@easyandy101 how funny. I'm an advocate for vaping too! DH vapes but only in the garden since DS came along!

Although not as harmful as tobacco smoke they are not fully sure of any risks yet. I wouldn't. Really because there is no need to be doing it just because you can. She could vape all she liked after you had collected your child.

I read something reputable recently about scientists saying that it irritates the lining of your lungs, possibly even more than cigarettes.

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318260.php

She didn't apologise either. Just kept saying how safe it is...

Thanks @Mistlewoeandwhine I'll have a read!

That wasn’t the article I originally read which was actually more negative about vaping but anyway, no one should vape around kids at all. Don’t leave your baby with her again.

Very unreasonable not to offer the baby a drag. Why should the adults get all the nicotiney goodness?

Some vapes are reported to contain a chemical that is known to cause ‘popcorn lung’ apparently. I wouldn’t want vaping round my child.

YANBU

yes it’s much safer than smoking

But not breathing in chemical smoke at all is even safer!

My best friend vapes and it irritates my asthma, especially if I’m ill already. I wouldn’t want a tiny baby breathing in anything that has that effect on me!

YANBU at all.

Chocolala - no they aren't. Why do people insist on continuing to spread this nonsense??

Omg I’d be furious! Don’t trust her with your child again.

No way. I vape, everyone in my house vapes but we do not vape in the same room as my baby. I don't have to ask anyone not to, they just don't. Vape smoke has nicotine in it, so no it shouldn't be smoked around a baby.

Sorry but your friend is a cf for even trying to justify this !

I'd be furious. There are no rigerous long-term studies of the effects of vaping and manufacture of the liquid is not effectively regulated. I wouldn't be surprised if vaping was a public health nightmare in the future.

I'm pro vaping, vape myself and I do believe that it isn't harmful passively. As others though I won't do it around babies/children, no real reason why I'd just never take even the tiniest risk around the small people. Also, what if they simply don't like it? They can hardly get up and leave the room can they? What if they are asthmatic? All kinds of innocuous things can set that off.

ffs the American lung association disagrees:

www.lung.org/about-us/blog/2016/07/popcorn-lung-risk-ecigs.html

Diacetyl is now banned from e cigarettes. There is more Diacetyl in cigarettes, but there have been no reports of popcorn lung in cigarette smokers. The only reports of popcorn lung are from people who worked in popcorn factories.

I vape around my kids only because it doesn’t emit fumes. I probably should not it’s a New Years plant to cut down

That said I have been so much better health wise since I started . Not a cough or chest infection for 2 years now

That said even I would not next to a new born just because they are so tender

Don’t have a massive bust up . Leave it for now and good
Luck with the PND and getting that sorted xx

It's not thought to be harmful, but since being pregnant I can't bare it being near me, so if I were to return to it I would treat it like I did smoking (ie not around people who don't do it themselves).

Try not to be too angry, there was no malice, just ask her in future not to do it around the baby.

It is much less harmful than smoking and they don't believe that any chemicals come out in the vapour, only water. However, if you've come back to room hazy enough that you've had to ask what happened that's a lot of damp in the air that your very young baby is breathing in.

DH switched from smoking to vaping when I was pregnant but would never vape around DD (3.5 months). It's just common courtesy if nothing else. I'm afraid I would be distancing myself from her.

Your friend is a drug addict. She eagerly sucks up lies from Big Vaping companies and re-tells them to herself in order to justify her addiction. You're not dealing with an objective person. Vaping of course is less carcinogenic than smoking - what isn't? However, that's a red herring argument. It's a bit like saying you should hire a violent criminal to work as a porter in your hotel on the basis that "well, at least he hasn't killed as many people as Fred West". Vaping probably won't give you cancer (so two cheers for that), but it will wreck your lungs more effectively and in a shorter time frame than smoking ever would. Vapour, so-called, is a misleading term - it's actually a sticky aerosol, comprised of nicotine and a few toxins and nano-particle pollutants. An absolute horror story for your lungs. See, eg:

“E-cigarettes create an aerosol by using a battery to heat the
e-liquid. Users inhale this aerosol into their lungs. When you heat it
— the humectants, flavoring, nicotine, interact with nickel, lead, and
tin from the coils adding up metallic nano-particles from this
device,” Dr. Gonzalez said.

She added that “We should never call it a vapor; that’s actually a
misnomer, because vapor is plain water produced after heating; aerosol is the proper term.”

Mr. Gonzalez said that second-hand aerosol (SHA) “might be less
[dangerous] than that of second-hand smoke (SHS), but it still
contains those particles which can impair lung function and
development.”

“No amount of scrubbing” will remove third-hand aerosol (THA) said Dr. Gonzalez. “Chemicals stick to bathroom tiles being hygroscopic or
water loving.” She added that it also reacts upon exposure to air, and
when oxidized turns into potential carcinogen (nitric oxide).

www.bworldonline.com/raising-the-alarm-the-dangers-of-e-cigarettes/

Great stuff for everyone, yeah? And obviously, totally harmless and healthy around kids. NOT. Don't be fooled again by the drug pushers and their zombie army of useful douche-flute idiots. See my blog (a work in progress): vapingsucks.blogspot.com/