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To think Jeremy Corbyn is a spineless wimp

87 replies

Dongdingdong · 03/12/2018 18:18

As everyone will know, Theresa May has challenged Jeremy Corbyn to a televised debate on Brexit. According to Sky News, Downing Street accepted a proposal to screen the debate on the BBC at 8pm on Sunday December 9th.

The BBC's plan would see both leaders take questions from a panel, including commentators and other politicians, as well as debating each other - which to me, sounds like an eminently sensible proposal.

However, Corbyn has proved to be reticent, not only challenging the choice of channel, saying he'd prefer the debate to take place on ITV (with no good reason at all, as far as I can see).

He then said he didn't want any interaction from other people - just a one-on-one debate with Theresa May. I don't get this at all - surely, in the spirit of democracy, the more voices and different opinions that are allowed to be aired, the better!

AIBU to think it's coming across as though he just doesn't have the nerve to stand up and debate on prime time TV, and is just trying to slither out of the whole situation by making ridiculously lame excuses? What is he so afraid of?

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The80sweregreat · 03/12/2018 19:27

There was a phone in about this debate; so many names other names came up to be part of it all.
If it's just those two it will be awful.
It won't do any good though. I can't see what it will achieve anyway.

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 03/12/2018 19:30

Another I hate Corbyn post. Bore off. Theresa May wouldn’t debate him properly and the BBC are very anti Corbyn, remember the photoshopped photos making him look Russian, so I don’t blame him.
The media will ignore everything he says and focus on his choice of tie or other clothing, at least it gives you an Aibu.

Yes yabu and you are a tit!

VladmirsPoutine · 03/12/2018 19:30

Corbyn is a Leave supporter - even more than May. Any debate with these two would be a farce.

The80sweregreat · 03/12/2018 19:30

Dong; I agree: I think that the BBC do not like J C ; that seems to be the biggest problem with them I think.
I also read all the same formats as you and it is confusing. I always had ITV down as more Tory biased in the past.

Dongdingdong · 03/12/2018 19:35

Yes yabu and you are a tit!

I do love it when a poster takes the time to add some truly intelligent, well-informed argument to the debate.

Hmm
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The80sweregreat · 03/12/2018 19:43

what will they say that hasn't already been said in two and half years ?
TM will trot out all the things she has said for weeks about her cunning plan. Jeremy will say all the same old things his been saying in parliament. The plan is doomed anyway. Her party and the DUP won't vote for it.
It's all just a waste of airtime.

Flewog · 03/12/2018 19:44

I do love it when a poster takes the time to add some truly intelligent, well-informed argument to the debate.

In the spirit of debate, how about addressing TM's debate-dodging last year and if, in your eyes, that renders her spineless too?

Leonie87 · 03/12/2018 19:46

I can’t get past the resemblance to the Wise Old Elf. That’s exactly what the Wise Old Elf would look like if he were a human being.

Thymeout · 03/12/2018 19:46

Even the Guardian thinks that May usually does better in PMQs.

Corbyn's first response to the BBC was that he would do it if he could talk about domestic issues as well. Brexit really isn't his specialist subject, whereas May obviously knows the details of her plan inside out.

Unless we're going to be given a chance to vote on it in a second referendum, the whole idea is pointless.

Dongdingdong · 03/12/2018 19:50

@Flewog yes it absolutely does. If a politician from any party is too chicken to stand up on live TV and take questions from members of the public then why on earth should I give them my vote? (That’s a rhetorical question by the way, not aimed at you directly!)

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Growingboys · 03/12/2018 19:52

YANBU

But that extremist-supporting, anti-Semitic joke of a leader cannot surprise me any longer.

The80sweregreat · 03/12/2018 19:52

TM was ' spineless' to duck out of the debate at election time ( that she called) but that is history now. The Tories still won that election however much labour supporters might hate that to be the case. ( with help , but they still won)
the big thing to try and resolve is Brexit now.
She may well be doing this to prove a point but it's still rubbish to just have two of them up there. It won't do any good of help her get this through parliament. I can't see how it will help anyone!

Walkingdeadfangirl · 03/12/2018 20:04

Corbyn is afraid of the BBC debate because he would be faced with questions from real people and he would look stupid just repeating soundbites "I have 6 points in my plan".

And there is the real danger he might be forced to read/understand the whole 599 page Brexit withdrawal agreement.

What he really wants is to side step discussion of the EU issue and just try and bring down TM so he can seize power create a communist eutopia. Which he thinks will be easier to do in a one on one with TM, in front of the younger 'I am a celebrity' demographics, where he can parrot the phrase "for the many not the jfew".

Treezylover · 03/12/2018 20:08

Corbyn’s awards:

Gandhi International Peace Award: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhi_Foundation#Gandhi_International_Peace_Award

Grassroots diplomat: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroot_Diplomat (established to recognise outstanding diplomats and politicians who represent the people's interest at the highest level)

The Seán MacBride Peace Prize: for his "sustained and powerful political work for disarmament and peace."

Let’s not let the facts get in the way though, eh?

Walkingdeadfangirl · 03/12/2018 20:23

Corbyn’s awards
It is easy to win pacifist awards, just do nothing.

It takes a spine to condem and take action against terrorists.
Let’s not let the facts get in the way though, eh?

SillySallySingsSongs · 03/12/2018 20:33

Let’s not let the facts get in the way though, eh?

None are widely renouned awards. Lets not let tge facts get in the way though.

Next you will be sayong he had something to do with the Good Friday Agreement or that he wasn't at an inappropriate wreath laying ceremony.

SillySallySingsSongs · 03/12/2018 20:35

remember the photoshopped photos making him look Russian, so I don’t blame him

No they didn't. Grow up.

Treezylover · 03/12/2018 20:57

It is easy to win pacifist awards, just do nothing.

Sure it is 🙄, voting 500 times against your own party is really ‘doing nothing’. Jeremy Corbyn, spineless wimp, it’s would be funny if it wasn’t so depressing. Hadn’t Amber Rudd just lost her father when Tree asked her to cover for her in her debate? The propaganda machine is alive and well.

Walkingdeadfangirl, do you literally just wait for anti-Corbyn posts?

Thymeout · 03/12/2018 21:18

Voting 500 times against his own party suggests to me he's in the wrong party. He gets a kick out of being a dissident. And the BBC didn't have to photoshop his hat to make him look Russian. The Lenin cap is his normal winter headgear.

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd seriously wonder if he and Diane Abbott weren't enlisted as sleepers during their oh so daring trip round the DDR in the 70s.

Speaking as a member of the LP when it was the LP, before it was taken over by this lot.

BishopBrennansArse · 03/12/2018 21:23

Possibly not, the Labour Party has always been a broad church. Most of the time he voted against the party was during New Labour when the party went more centrist. Now the party is larger with a larger proportion of further left membership it's more in line with his own views.

Debate could be interesting though with both leaders defending the party line which in both cases is the polar opposite of their own views.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 03/12/2018 22:10

Typical Corbyn being difficult and awkward

Much like his actions during the referendum

And the BBC Tory bias Confused since when

As for May her confidence has grown the more she has come under attack and she has a the trump card the EU are backing her

BishopBrennansArse · 03/12/2018 22:12

Since when? Have you seen a Kuenessberg report?
Awkward and difficult? Like May's complete refusal to the debates detailed earlier?

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 03/12/2018 22:23

The thread is about Corbyn

I haven’t defended May for her none attendance I pointed out she has gained confidence and she had the EU behind her

Corbyn is always awkward and difficult he has made a whole career out of being the thorn in the Labour Party side

BishopBrennansArse · 03/12/2018 22:27

Oh convenient. It's about Corbyn putting provisos on debating.
When May wouldn't even debate last time. But no lalala can't hear you, not like that...

SeaWitchly · 03/12/2018 22:33

YABU OP.

I think Corbyn is entitled to make stipulations when he agrees to enter a live debate. And I for one really enjoy watching him speak live. He comes across really well in this format in my opinion and I look forward to hearing what he has to say.