for being really angry with a lunch time superviser/school????

[sep1712]

Yesterday I took my ds3 to nursery which is attached to my ds7 school. A waist high fench sperates the two. A girl 6 fell on her face and was bleeding. The first LTS ran over screaming "oh my god". Then she was shouting for the other LTS to join her. Over-reacted at the situation and upset many other children aswell as the hurt child. They both then went into the school and left 90 children unsupervised! I can't believe how badly they dealt with the situation!! Before now I have had to tell them children where fighting because they were not watching! What do you think i should i do? I would like to have a word with the head but do you think i'm over reacting??? It's just lots of people are in and out of the nursery at that time of day and one of the children could have been taken?? Thanks for reading would love to know what you would do.

I would defo report to head, its not acceptable that children were left unsupervised outside. They should have sent another child in to get more help if needed, or a note to staff room.
I have to point out children fighting at DD bursery, but just feel they are very busy and cant see everything.

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They are understaffed if that is the ratio.

Was the parent a teacher at the school?

I would talk to the school, children should not be unsupervised at play. the school may not know, let them know as the midday superviser do a great job, however children should not be unsupervised....the teachers may not now of this.

wheresthehamster= i don't think i explained myself very well. It was lunch time and in the school playground for the older children and both the dinner ladies left the playground unsupervised with reception yr1 and 2. No parents in the play ground. just me and 1 other mum on the other side of a low fence, not sure if they knew we were there? Spoke to the girl who got hurt mum today. She said when she went to collect her there were 6 adults standing over her, How intimidating.

It's not the LTS' fault.

The Head and or Governing Body are ultimately responsible for staffing levels.

Children do fight, there's not a lot one can do about it except intervene when it goes too far.

As for children being 'taken'. I would say that it an extremely rare situation during school hours

vixma= your LTS maybe good but i think ares need to be sacked! I see them everyday just sat on the bench chatting or taxting on there phones! My DS7 said he was trying to tell them something and they told him to shhh! Sorry rant over!!

mercy, Thats the problem they don't intervene.

if they are playing with their mobiles I totally agree. They are employed to care for the children, not to be on their mobiles....that is appauling.

They are paid to care for children while the teachers have their break and that includes listening to the children if they are hurt or upset. If they are not doing this then this should be brought up with the school. Prevention of injuries and bullying is top and if they are not doing this, disscussions with their teacher and school is a must.

Well then you should have a word with the Head or whoever supervises the LTSs.

I know a couple of LTSs. They get paid jack shit and are offered minimal support by the teachers (who of course are entitled to a lunch break but even so)

Speak to the head imo.

thanks vix

Sorry sep1712 I was trying to be funny.
I meant was the girl who fell on her face, a child of a teacher at the school. Some MDAs I've known make a HUGE fuss over teachers children and your MDAs seemed way over the top in this instance.

sorry WTH lost sense of humour today, PMT!! Its ok for me to say not my DH!!!

thats okay sept 1712, I hope u can resolve this as when it comes to your children, nothing comes close.

thanks, i'm this ( ) close to bringing him home for lunch but know how much he loves playtimes.

if u are seeing what u say, this is out of order....what r u going 2 do?

I'm a LTS.

For 90 Reception/Yr1 children there should be more cover.

We have 65 Reception with 3 LTS, and approx 70 Yr1 with 3 LTS.

The one who screamed overreacted and needs training in how to handle situations. Rule one is not to upset the other children and inflame a situation. If she could not handle the injured child alone then the other member of staff should have gone for help, not both of them together.

Our own children (and other staff children) actually get slightly less attention if anything!

As for the mobile phone example - we are not allowed to use our mobiles at school except to take emergency calls. Breaching that rule is a disciplinary offence.

And yes we are underpaid/overworked/under supported. I love my job though

Is LTS a new name? Presumably it stands for Lunchtime Supervisor. Ours are still called MDAs as far as I know.

saint george i think you are a saint! You are right they are under paid and maybe if they had other jobs within the school ie reading etc there pay and training would be better. Im going to talk to the head on tues morning and see if he has any solution. Thanks everyone.

Thank you sep

wth - I used LTS on this thread as sep had already used it as an abbreviation.

Our offical title is Child Supervisory Support Officer or CSSO. Anything but Dinner Lady - they do the cooking and serving

I was a MSA (Midday Supervisory Assistant) until very recently. We also had 2 MSAs to 90 children, but this is NOT the correct ratio and NEEDS to be brought up with the Head or Governors a.s.a.p.

If a child is injured, the MSA should react as calmly as possible and should also be First Aid trained. It only takes one MSA to deal with a child with a bleeding face, not two.

Mobiles should not be used whilst on duty except for emergency situations.

Sitting down on a bench is unacceptable - the MSAs should be up and initiating games with the children, observing play and listening to children.

Yes, MSAs are poorly paid and in my experience receive no support whatsoever from other staff, but that is not an excuse to do the job badly. If an MSA isn't happy to get in there and play with these little ones, they simply shouldn't be MSAs. I would definitely put in a formal complaint in this case.

Perhaps it could be suggested also that the MSAs do the course for MSAs which lasts a few weeks and is very, very thorough, and they get paid very well for doing it. We had to do it, and it was well worth it. We all became much better at our jobs after doing it. It was an accredited course run by the WEA - webcam.wea.ac.uk/coursesearch.asp

Hope this helps.

fbb Thanks so much for that information. I'm going to see the head tomorrow so i am armed with some advise now. I didn't think that ratio was right. I'll let you know what happens Your a star!

I have spoken to the head and he was very understanding. They are going to employ another lts and also do some training.
Lots hope he does. Thanks everyone

Happy to have been able to help, Sep1712. Glad the head was so good about it, in my personal experience, they don't tend to give a toss!
Good on you for going to speak to him about it (need a thumbs-up smiley)
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