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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not expect my mother to take over my house.

16 replies

Headisinsand · 01/12/2018 12:38

My mother lives with me. She doesn’t want to rent or pay a mortgage elsewhere. It would leave her struggling. It is a large house with space for us all and I work so she has plenty of time to herself. She has a busy social life and plenty of hobbies.
She pays the going rate for renting a room in our area but gets food included and most meals cooked. She rarely cooks. Other than clean her room she does a few dishes and will hang out bring in the washing. She is banned from putting a wash on of family items as refuses to sort it and will machine wash delicates.
She has the biggest best room in the house ( with a deck and sliding doors she installed) which has a lot of storage and the hall outside her room which has her side board and two large book cases. She has pictures up in her room and her hall area.
She has her own cupboard in the kitchen for special things not for general consumption, a drawer in the bathroom and toiletries in the shower and cabinate. A drawer in the toilet room and a double coat hook in the hall. She keeps her ironing pile in my hall too.
She has two chairs in lounge and sitting area of dining room and an antique one in my hall area, two large pictures (I like them) up on wall as won’t fit her room and half a dozen ornaments that I quite like on my mantle.
She also is storing things in the garage, has a large outside drawer for her many shoes and has a large shed for her gardening things.
She loves gardening and with my blessing took over the flower beds, extending and adding to them and took over my veg garden (pushing me out). I pay for a gardener two hours a week as that is what it took to maintain garden prior to her moving in. I mow the grass.
She is upset and cross that I moved a picture of hers onto her sideboard from my bookshelf, telling me I should share. I keep having to move the things she obtains and places about the house. She will help herself, criticise and change things as she sees fit with no regard to my convenience or preference. She has tried to assert ownership of the second toilet outside her room, making passive aggressive comments when the children use it or brush their teeth in there. I have bluntly said it is not her private toilet. She has free use of the house and I give her space and privacy if entertaining friends and have no problem with her friends staying when visiting from afar.
I have three children and their things to accomodate too. Other than books and communal games I mostly expect them to keep personal items in their rooms as I do too.
So AIBU expecting her not to spread her things elsewhere and defending myself by saying it is my house so my choice as to what is on display or stored in public areas? Temporary things like flowers or cards are welcome. I know she would like her own house and I have done my best to make her comfortable but I am feeling bullied and manipulated n my own home. She has more storage than the children. If we all put our things about the house like she tries to it would be a mess.

OP posts:
Santaselfhasarrived · 01/12/2018 12:48

I'm just here to say you're not being unreasonable at all!
My dm also lives with me and if I'm being honest it's ruined my life, she came here under different circumstances and was only supposed to stay for the weekend, that was 2 years ago.
She has disrupted mine and my dcs life and she is a total mess, every morning I get up and there's clothes on my sofa or stuff everywhere, I'm also very much like you I have all personal belongings in our own space, dc are allowed to play with their toys in the living room but it isn't there for storage.

When she first came she did the washing up, cooked meals and was generally quite helpful, now she's just in the way and makes my home look like a shit hole, I no longer even sit in my living room anymore as she's just taken over.

So Flowers&Gin for you and I hope it gets better.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/12/2018 12:53

You need one of those 'grown up' conversations.

Maybe outside of the house, in public, neutral territory.

Lay it all out for her, how accommodating you are, how much you are prepared for her to enjoy your house, her home BUT that there are limits and lay them out too. Tell her that you have house rules now because she is slowly appropriating all of your shared space. If she argues remind her she has choices.

She is an adult. She should be able to appreciate that she can't have everything her won way and that, in you, in your own home, do get to set the ground rules!

Dotty1970 · 01/12/2018 12:54

You are totally completely definitely without a doubt! NOT being unreasonable, I feel sorry for you I would hate that.

AntMoon · 01/12/2018 14:09

I think a conversation is needed, away from the house like another poster suggested.

You are MORE than reasonable with the living arrangements, I think it sounds like she's slowly trying to enlarge her territory - but it is yours. It's a really difficult situation mother/daughter relationships can be complex. It's like the roles are reversed, especially when you mention 'she cleans her room'!

She's a lodger, and your mum. You love your mum, but you can't let the lodger take over the house.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 01/12/2018 14:16

You've been extremely accommodating already OP. Time to sit down and talk to her.

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess · 01/12/2018 14:23

She doesn’t want to rent or pay a mortgage elsewhere.

Yeah, well, if that's the case, she should be very grateful she's found such a cushy number at yours. If she wants carte blanche to do what she wants in a house, she should buy/rent her own, as you have done.

Maelstrop · 01/12/2018 15:09

Could you start dropping hints that she needs to move out, leave adverts for flats around?! She's taking the piss, you need to stop her or she will take over the house.

HollowTalk · 01/12/2018 15:16

This would drive me demented. Of course she doesn't want to pay rent - who does?

What's her financial situation like? Would she get government help with her rent?

madmum5811 · 01/12/2018 15:20

How old is she and what is her source of income?

sonjadog · 01/12/2018 15:21

My mother lives with me for large parts of the year and would have tendencies in this direction, except for that I am clear, and I mean very, very clear, about what she can and cannot do in my house. The boundaries are absolutely non-negotiable and things that appear where they shouldn't are immediately removed. I think you need to have a talk with your mum about this and tell her what is okay and not okay and make it clear that the matter isn't open to discussion.

RedFallLeaf · 01/12/2018 16:50

I've had this in a way. Wouldn't listen in my house. But I'm expected to listen to her as child vs mother. I don't think I was asking too much. Rather than concede to my house rules, she left. I felt guilty, she was massively inconvenienced.
Talk to her kindly @OP. But there does need to be a line in the sand that keeps everyone happy

HeebieJeebies456 · 01/12/2018 17:31

So she's essentially a lodger in your home but behaves as though she's a fully paying tenant?

Stop enabling her! I bet she CAN afford a small one bedroom flat to rent - just doesn't want to.
She's trying to create a separate 'annexe' for herself by stealth with her passive aggressive comments re the toilet outside her room - don't let her.

She needs to understand she is HOUSE-SHARING as a lodger.....make your boundaries clear.

MortyVicar · 01/12/2018 18:06

She may not want to rent or pay a mortgage - but could she if she had to? Is she just being tight?

Headisinsand · 01/12/2018 22:05

Thank you for all your comments confirming what I already
knew. I am in a different time zone hence the late response.
It is my house and it is a shame circumstances make it hard for her to have the same which is why I have made sure she has as much space as I can. Every time she started encroaching I supplied an accomodation. The kitchen cupboard one was because she did what was most convenient for her moving my food about, and commenting on the state of my cupboards. Shoe drawer as many shoes lying about (kids have a basket between them).So while she has free access to family supplies she has her own that she does not have to find amongst all the stores.
I am trying to get a balance of live and let live but also establish and protect my rights and preferences. I don’t want to be driven into my own room and lately found myself being pushed out or controlled more and more. When I object to an unpleasant, selfish or judgmental comment or action she attacks me and my choices. Calls me controlling. She does things she would not have done in her own home. Not wiping up spills on the carpet, leaving a mess. Minor things I ignore.
Yes it is like having a teenager.
She has has a tough time and has worked hard but ended up with very little, yes she could afford to live independently but would have very little disposable income. She would struggle with the responsibilities too.
She has been very supportive of me when I was ill and when my marriage broke up and is a kind and generous person to many. She takes me for granted now.
I think I should within reason live as I would if she were not here. If I’m in a hurry I should not feel guilty at leaving my dishes ( late for work) or having a large pile of washing unattended to ( because I’m reading my book). I try to not leave the house in a big mess and she has her own spacious sanctuary which is not disturbed by household activity.
She is in the very beginning stages of dementia, I watched it happen to my grandmother and the first signs were anxiety and subtle changes in behaviour but I do not think this is the case in regard to her behaviour toward me and the way she treats my house. It was a slow process in my grandmother and was ten years from first signs to becoming incapacitated. ( my mother cared for her for the last 5 years of her life and it is just over year since she died. I am aware that at some point I will become her carer but I hope the children will be grown by then and will have family help and use respite.
She has threatened to leave and I told her that was unreasonable to threaten every time she did not get her own way and if she wanted to leave I would willingly take a loan and reimburse her for the improvements she made, deck and door installed for her own benefit. I could pay it back by letting the room. She also threatens not to use communal objects and to get her own if asked to treat it with respect. Like emptying the iron of water between use so it doesn’t go green. I was also controlling when I asked her to use laundry sink or bathroom not the kitchen sink to wash her sweaty face after gardening.
Other than trying to enlarge her territory and judgemental commments especially after a gin or two we get on fine. It is a household rule that I struggle to enforce with everyone, keep your personal items in your room and clean up put away after yourself. Otherwise do as you want to as long as not disturbing others.
Update, I have had a word and she concedes I am not being unreasonable and said she can see how five of us have to put stuff away and clean up to prevent chaos.

OP posts:
PermanentlyFrizzyHairBall · 01/12/2018 22:31

YANBU, is she finding it hard to step out of the parent role - wanting to be in control of everything? I think you're doing the right thing by asserting yourself. You've been incredibly accommodating but you need to set boundaries. It's your house - you decide what those boundaries are (and they sound incredibly fair).

PermanentlyFrizzyHairBall · 01/12/2018 22:34

I think I should within reason live as I would if she were not here. If I’m in a hurry I should not feel guilty at leaving my dishes ( late for work) or having a large pile of washing unattended to ( because I’m reading my book). I try to not leave the house in a big mess and she has her own spacious sanctuary which is not disturbed by household activity.

Of course you should leave dirty dishes without a second thought if you're in a rush. You have 3 kids and it's your home! The joy of having your own home is you can have it immaculate when you choose and leave a mess when you choose.

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