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Borderline personality disorder causes my friend to shoplift.

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DeloresJaneUmbridge · 30/11/2018 08:00

Does it? Is she being unreasonable saying this?

I think I know the answer and it’s that she is being totally unreasonable as she knows the clear difference between right and wrong.

We’ve been friends for over 10 years, children the same age. Over the past 10 years her health has massively deteriorated physically and mentally. On her worst days she is now in a wheelchair, on other days she can move around holding onto things but can’t leave the house. On very very rare days her body suddenly loosens and she can get into town. She has Carers full time and they sort out all the day to day stuff including shopping.

Over the past few years I’ve become aware that she shoplifts from time to time. Stuff like a handbag from a supermarket which goes in her trolley and looks to all intents and purposes like her own handbag. Perfume bottles which have been put out as testers so she gets a £70 perfume to small items like pens, lightbulbs etc. She says it’s her personality disorder which causes impulsive behaviour and that she gets a kick out of getting something for nothing,

Spoken with Carers who are aware it’s hapoening but say they have other clients with similar issues which do the same things.

Now I love my friend, she’s fought through the most appalling upbringing you can imagine with abuse in all its forms, she has attachment disorders and the borderline personality disorder as well as physical health issues. However I am beginning to feel I don’t want to know about the new items like perfume she has managed to pinch while in the chemist when the pharmacist’s back is turned Hmm

I guess I am wondering if anyone has experience of this and sees it happening with others who have the same mental health issues. It’s also an issue for me as the latest thing (a handbag) was taken while I was with her. I didn’t know until we had got back to the house that a bag had been taken. When she was paying she asked me to go and get a shopping bag from the car which I did....by the time I got back she had paid for her shopping and was through the till and outside the door. She says this is so if they discovered her they wouldn’t associate me with the theft...l am not so sure.

It’s getting so I don’t want to go shopping ever with her. Mostly her Carers shop and it’s only rare occasions that she can do so herself. It seems to be on those occasions this is occurring.

Another friend who cares for her brother in law who has the same issues says he is the same. She walks him round Tesco in his wheelchair to get shopping and says he often has items he hasn’t paid for. He relies on her for care so she just gets on with it but she isn’t happy about it .

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PeevedOfPortishead · 30/11/2018 08:03

Impulsive and risky behaviour is a bpd symptom. On saying that, we all know the difference between right and wrong and I would not expect to act upon such impulses each and every time the opportunity arises iyswim. I am BPD btw - and don't steal.

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 30/11/2018 08:11

Thank you Peeved

I guessed that the stealing wasn’t common to all with bpd.
I need to do a bit more reading about all this and then I want to talk with her about it. The last thing she needs is a criminal record,

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Alfie190 · 30/11/2018 08:14

My sister, before she took her own life, was diagnosed BPD.

Yes it makes people take risks, I don't believe my sister shop lifted, however I do believe she committed a few insurance frauds. I don't know for sure, but coincidentally I work in finance /insurance and some things did not ring true to me.

Poloshot · 30/11/2018 08:22

Another convenient excuse by a criminal for engaging in criminal behaviour.

CountTessa · 30/11/2018 08:24

The fact that she is choosing to do when you are around but also choosing to make excuses not to get you involved suggests to me that she is not acting compulsively. She has a clarity of mind which I wouldn't associate with impulsiveness.

dottycat123 · 30/11/2018 08:28

The difference between bpd and illnesses such as schizophrenia/ psychosis is that people with bpd retain awareness and insight, they will almost certainly retain mental capacity to make decisions about whether to shop lift or not. Yes they are impulsive and take risks but should be able to control this.

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 30/11/2018 08:32

Thank you for responses.

Am going to tackle her about this but not got the energy to do so before Xmas. She is struggling too much to get out at the moment so it isn’t likely to occur again before next year.

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Caprisunorange · 30/11/2018 08:45

I don’t see the point in you tackling her to be honest- what’s that going to achieve? Tbh I would probably put this down to the poor woman having a shit life and enough problems without a friendship problem on top. Just stop going to shops with her

longwayoff · 30/11/2018 08:57

Capri is right. Just dont go shopping with her.

Shednik · 30/11/2018 09:09

Impulsive behaviour and compulsive behaviour really is an issue in BPD. It's not true to say that the planning means she is in control. She might be relying on this behaviour to regulate her emotions in some way.

However, that doesn't make it ok!

What you need to do is set your boundaries. You can ask her not to tell you about the stealing and explain that you don't feel comfortable going shopping with her any more.

Try to do it without shaming her.

Kismetjayn · 30/11/2018 09:19

Just because she has the impulse doesn't mean she has to listen to it. I get very tired of people using MH as an excuse (I have a similar but not identical condition). If she wanted to, she could address the problem, or put safeguards in place (ie I know I have the compulsion to steal, so I will only go shopping with people who can replace the things I've taken when I put them in my trolley/will only pre-order & collect groceries/ will bring extra money that whoever I'm shopping with can remind me about if something finds its way into my possession at the checkout). She is choosing to let it happen and not do anything about it. My condition made me do it annoys me. I manage not to do bad things because I don't want to so I put strategies in place, it's not the condition, it's how you're choosing to respond to it.

poptartprincess · 30/11/2018 10:30

I was diagnosed with BPD and when I was a in my late teens to early 20s I did the same. I think I used to blame it on the BPD but looking back, I knew that it was wrong, I knew i shouldn't do it. Risk taking is a typical symptom of BPD and may have strongly influenced it, however BPD isn't MAKING them shoplift.

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 30/11/2018 11:46

Really good to hear other people's experiences. Capri I totally hear you about joy tackling her. I might leave it be. You are right that she doesn't need a friendship problem.
This is a woman who was very supportive to me when my son was diagnosed as autistic. I've no plans to abandon my friendship with her. Her positive qualities massively outweigh this issue.

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