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To tell you not to scared of PIP tribunals.

20 replies

Legouni · 24/11/2018 12:47

I just wanted to say this in case someone on here is facing the same situation I was in yesterday.

After having my PIP stopped, a Mandatory Reconsideration, a refusal to accept the evidence that a PIP assessor had lied about our meeting and then waiting a year for a tribunal date, I was ready to give up.

I went from an enhanced rate of care to nothing.

My tribunal was yesterday afternoon.

I didn’t even prepare for it.

To be honest I wasn’t even sure if I could go through with it. I was sick and tired of being made to feel like a fraud and a ‘chancer’ for trying to access a benefit that means the difference between existing and an actual life for my family, because of the additional costs of my disability.

After looking online I’d seen a few positive things about tribunals but they were outweighed with negative ones, describing being cross examined and grilled.

I didn’t sleep two nights before the tribunal, and started crying before I even walked into the room. I was expected hostility and condescension.

I couldn’t have been more wrong.

The judge, doctor and disability specialist immediately informed me that, after reading my medical reports, they were happy to restore my prior level of benefit without even asking any questions.

They then asked permission to query me on some mobility questions, which I hadn’t ever applied for as in my opinion I can walk around fine. They wanted to know about my mental health re:journeys.

They awarded enhanced care and standard mobility. And they said that as I was never going to get better, that we shouldn’t have to go through this every three years. They have put in the letter that it would be inappropriate to fix a term on the award.

I very nearly didn’t go, so I wanted to put my experience out there, in the hopes that someone who might ace been about to give up sees it.

I will be forever grateful to the tribunal for treating me with kindness and like a human being. In fact, I’m almost glad the DWP forced me to go to tribunal.

Please don’t stop fighting.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 24/11/2018 12:52

I'm delighted for you. I bet you feel 100 ton weight has been lifted from your shoulders.
I can't imagine how stressful it must have been for you.
The thing about Tribunal though is that. They're there to fight you'd corner not the DWP's

SpitefulMidLifeAnimal · 24/11/2018 13:00

Thank you so much for posting this, my own tribunal is this coming Thursday!

I was dropped from enhanced to basic care and whilst I could accept this, what I am unable to accept is the lies and omissions on the initial assessors report.

What a lovely time of year to get this decision though and I hope you get joy from every single penny of that backpay! Once again, thanks Flowers

PhilipHamilton · 24/11/2018 13:11

Well done OP. As a MH professional the whole PIP fiasco makes me furious. I really want to organise a protest against it. What I have done though is written an amazing (even if I do say so myself) Mandatory Reconsideration letter to support my SUs. So far it has trounced the patriarchy. What you have done is truly amazing but it shouldn't have to be like this. It is so stressful for people and it makes me so angry!

Legouni · 24/11/2018 14:17

Thank you, it’s going to make such a huge difference. But it’s an awful thought thinking about everyone still going through it 💐

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loubluee · 24/11/2018 14:57

Well done OP!!

I had enhanced care and standard mobility for three years. Had my re-assessment a few weeks ago, so am waiting for my envelope. I have a sinking feeling that although I’ve gone from ‘mental health problems suspected bipolar’ to ‘diagnosed with bipolar’, and I was able to show her the letters for my appointment last week to have more epidural injections under x/ray in my spine, (although the previous three rounds didn’t work, but I’ve refused surgery as I only have 30% chance of success), I am fully prepared for the full PIP to be taken off me and have to fight at tribunal. It is the sickest feeling ever. She was so nice, she came to my home to do the assessment, that it felt like she was too nice, the whole sympathising with me, to make me feel comfortable, so I would trip up (I told the total truth, even showed her I could touch the floor! But that’s because I’m very hyper mobile) and make a mistake. The devil in disguise!!

Legouni · 24/11/2018 15:21

It feels awful doesn't it loubluee.

I actually said to my Mum how lovely the assessor was when she came round to assess me. She was happy, smiley and seemed genuinely to want to know the facts of how my disabilities affect us.

She then proceeded to write a report that was almost entirely a work of fiction.

If my Dh and Dsis hadn't been present at the assessment I would have thought I'd gone mad. There were entire conversations and physical assessments described that never happened!

The worst part is she probably will never even be taken to task for it.

Just given a bonus for knocking my award down, and leaving us in a nightmare for twelve months.

I don't know how she sleeps at night.

I had a lovely assessor three years ago, who wrote a factual report and actually read all of my medical evidence, so I know they aren't all bad.

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Queenofthedrivensnow · 24/11/2018 15:22

Agree with the op I sometimes support clients to attend them. Decisions have always ruled in climber favour.

Fairylea · 24/11/2018 15:27

That is wonderful. So pleased for you op.

I think it’s so important that people post good experiences of pip / challenging decisions etc as people so often only look for help when things go bad and then people thinking of applying only see those in search results and are put off from applying for help that they really need.

My mum applied for attendance allowance recently and was sure she wouldn’t get anything - she has copd, Crohn’s disease and mobility issues but she genuinely felt applying would be a waste of time. She was awarded enchanced rate within 2 weeks of applying with no assessment whatsoever.

Legouni · 24/11/2018 15:29

And good luck for next Thursday SpitefulMidLifeAnimal! Flowers

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BehemothPullsThePeasantsPlough · 24/11/2018 15:32

A friend of mine serves on these tribunals. He’s a really nice, sensible sympathetic bloke with personal family experience of disability.

Legouni · 24/11/2018 21:10

BehemothPullsThePeasantsPlough that’s nice to hear.

I’d hate to think now of someone terrified and tired giving up before seeing the tribunal through.

I thought it was going to be a nightmare and suddenly it was the bets thing that as happened to me all year!

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Legouni · 24/11/2018 23:42

Expecting DF’s forms to come through the post any day now. I feel much more energised to help them now so hopefully can pass some of the luck on.

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BlankTimes · 25/11/2018 00:09

I encourage everyone to go to Tribunal, I've posted our story several times.

My relative was on indefinite DLA, the face to face PIP awarded enhanced care but no mobility so off to Tribunal. Blue Badge they'd had for years ran out before Tribunal so needed an independent Blue Badge Assessment which was approved and noted much less mobility than the assessor.

The judge only asked relative to confirm name and address, then to confirm that they were challenging DWP's decision. The Judge then apologised that they'd had to attend Tribunal because they all thought enhanced rate of both should have been given on the medical evidence supplied on the date they transferred from DLA to PIP, added it was inappropriate to set a term, then the Judge said "And IF the DWP had bothered to send a representative to your hearing, I'd have made them apologise to you as well.

I was speechless, not something that happens to me often! I'd gone prepared to fight so I was more than flabbergasted. We were in there for less than two minutes, the only words I said were 'thank-you'

Legouni · 25/11/2018 08:36

It’s an amazing feeling isn’t it BlankTimes, realising you don’t have to fight when you were expecting to have to,

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MattBerrysHair · 25/11/2018 08:42

That's fantastic! I'm so happy for you 😊 I expect my PIP to be stopped as soon as it's reviewed, which could be anu time now really. I'm never going to be not autistic but I'm sure that won't be taken into account.

Legouni · 25/11/2018 08:53

MattBerrysHair I’m sorry, it’s an awful feeling waiting for that letter to drop through the door.

I hope you can take heart that if they do try to screw you over, you will eventually end up in front of a group of people who want to genuinely get you what you deserve.

And even better they realise when something isn’t ever going to get better. I have autism, it wasn’t really what I was claiming for as I have other disabilities, but the tribunal were very interested in it and awarded me standard mobility because of it.

Their exact words were also ‘Well we can’t just give you a pill to cure autism, it is a lifelong disability’.

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MattBerrysHair · 25/11/2018 15:58

Legouni that is incredibly reassuring, thank you 💐

ToastedSandwichObsession · 25/11/2018 16:10

That's fantastic news.

I'm currently awaiting the outcome of my reassessment. It's just adding to my already very stressed life. It's good to hear the tribunals are sensible.

MistressDeeCee · 25/11/2018 16:14

Thank you for posting this OP. DB is going to PIP Tribunal on Tuesday and he's so worried. I'm going to send him your post. I'm aware it doesn't mean he'll win but still..will be good for him to know he's not necessarily "on trial" to prove his disabilities so to speak, and that there is hope.

Glad you had a positive outcome 💐

Noluckatall · 21/01/2019 23:49

Hi all I have my pip tribunal hearing on the 5th of February 2019 and I am absolutely dreading it I have waited 18 months for this date and I'm petrified I scored 0 points on f2f assessment and I'm scared of the same outcome any advice would be appreciated

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