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Teacher wellbeing days for shopping

786 replies

ForAMinuteThere · 24/11/2018 09:00

Nope - this isn't a bash. I saw an article in the Fail about it and wanted to add some support for the teachers of this world.

I am a non teacher. It looks hard. One day off for shopping is a nice gesture.

I expect mixed responses but personally, I think teachers staying sane and feeling worthy can only be a good thing.

(This isn't my first post, have NC)

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MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 24/11/2018 13:40

@sonlypuppyfat I used to be a teacher and NEVER finished at 3 (some schools have working day until 5 anyway). I worked extra 20 hours per to do marking, planning and admin stuff required of me on top of teaching, and some people do even more.

MissMarplesKnitting · 24/11/2018 13:42

I've worked in three post graduate jobs.

Teaching is by far the most intense. It's that intensity that makes it so exhausting.

It's ruddy marvellous as well, but it's a very tiring job.

And yes, I leave at 3:30, get my own kids, do the feeding/after-school activities then get them in bed and start up again about 8pm. Most evenings I do 2-3 hours, then similar on Sunday.

I'm part time.

BlaaBlaaBlaa · 24/11/2018 13:46

I used to work for the local council and we'd get a Christmas shopping day. I now work for a university and we get Christmas eve off .... nice gestures like this can do wonders for morale

Foxyloxy1plus1 · 24/11/2018 13:51

I never had a day to go shopping and that doesn’t bother me, but I do think that if nothing else, it’s an acknowledgement that the mental and physical well being of teachers is important. It might be that a note from a line manager, or the head, thanking a teacher, would be as valuable.

I don’t believe that any parent would be fined for taking their child out of school for one day, so that’s a spurious argument. I do think that the BBC2 programme mentioned upthread, should be required viewing. It does demonstrate to some extent, the critical state that the profession is in. When the tipping point is reached and there are fewer people entering the profession than leaving and schools are tying to manage on a continually reducing number of staff and resources of all kinds, perhaps we can stop getting exercised about one day.

I see a point at which the entire structure crumbles.

ChocolateWombat · 24/11/2018 13:54

Excellent post from LokiBear.

The problem is the massive underfunding and recruitment and retention crisis. If education was properly funded and workloads reasonable, there would be no need desperate initiatives to show some kind of support for teachers, which in reality are a drop in the ocean and don't deal with the problem of week-by-week over-work and stress and increasing difficulty to deliver what is required and in fact the growing demands with less resources.

I think school management is desperate. They have to manage with unrealistic budgets and unrealistic demands. They push them onto the teachers, and when people are at breaking point, in a bid to do something.....just something to try and alleviate he pressure, they offer a day off (which as has been said, doesn't mean less teaching days during the year) during the longest term. It doesn't solve the deep rooted problems at all, and in fact does divert attention from the real issues, convincing the public that teachers get a better and easier deal than other workers, and annoys people who only see a day to have to organise childcare (even though months and months of notice was probably given) rather than anything beyond the end of their noses.

Teachers don't want a day off in November, for shopping or anything else in fact. They just want to be given the resources and time to carry out their job to a high standard, so that the children can be given a quality education (not always happening at the moment because of cuts and teacher recruitment crisis) and they can have some semblance of work-life balance.

What other sops will we see being given to teachers in coming years to try and make them feel something is being done to help them? Will there be cakes on Fridays? Will there be a mindfulness course run after school? Will there be a staff choir set up to run after the parents evening that finishes at 9pm? Will there be free sandwiches provided at late night school events? Perhaps, but I don't think those sops can in anyway cover for the problems teachers and support staff face which come from having to teach a complex class which needs lots if 1-2-1 support when all of the TAs have been axed due to funding cuts, or when the targets set by KS2 data are impossible to achieve and result in no pay rise for the 3rd year in a row, or when a teacher has to teach a GCSE subject they know nothing about because the school cannot recruit a qualified person, or when a teacher finds their preparation time allowance has been cut in half because it's the only way schools can afford to cover all classes, or that their classes have grown by an extra 5 students generating more marking and reporting and recording every week, or that the marking requirements and policy of the school have changed, adding an extra hour to every set of marking, or the curriculum has changed again meaning everything and all resources have to be re-created again. I think teachers just want enough time to do a good job (and they expect to work outside the 8.30-3.30 time slot - just not 60 hours per week) and to feel that they have the resources to do it. If that were the case, it would still be tiring, but people wouldn't be at breaking point and going off on lomg term sick or leaving the profession.

But until the government addresses these issues and until parents and the public recognise the issues and pressurise the government to do something, schools will just have to continue dreaming up pretty crap initiatives to try and boost morale.

Whateva247 · 24/11/2018 13:56

@Dottierichardson
I completely agree! Why do people want less for other people? We should be asking for more from all of our employers. It always seems to be a race to the bottom- less pay, poorer pensions, longer working hours because some people have theses things we all should!
And people can’t have too much of a problem with amazons working practices people still use amazon and Amazons owner ,Jeff Bezo, is currently worth 143 billion!
I’m sure he could afford to give his staff a day off! Why aren’t people boycotting amazon? Why isn’t there more threads about how lobbying amazon for better working practiceS?
But no, let’s give the teachers a hard time instead.

justanotherprolapse · 24/11/2018 13:58

Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us go shopping at the weekend or on the internet.

Stormy76 · 24/11/2018 14:01

Hmmm I work for the NHS and we don't get any perks so am not sure it's fair.

ProfessorMoody · 24/11/2018 14:03

Justanotherprolapse - do you have selective reading? Most teachers spend their weekends working too.

Holidayshopping · 24/11/2018 14:04

Don't worry in a few years teacher recruitment will have dropped so low that all lessons will be taught by TAs

This is so true yet people are on here moaning that teachers should stop whinging and either poke up with it or leave. When we’ve all left-what will they say then?!

UserName31456789 · 24/11/2018 14:05

I know it’s prob no different hours to plenty of other jobs but please be under no illusion that they finish at 3pm!!

lol really - they leave before the end of the school day? I collected both of mine at half three Friday then went back at 4:30 (for a forgotten coat) and the teacher was still in the class room sorting bits out. She was also there well before 8:30 when I drop off. I'm not sure when they do their lesson planning and marking if they work fewer hours than their students!

BoneyBackJefferson · 24/11/2018 14:16

Meanwhile in the real world

and that is Bingo

BWatchWatcher · 24/11/2018 14:18

Everyone’s job is hard. Sorry teachers, it’s a no from me.

RomanyRoots · 24/11/2018 14:20

I respect the work teachers do and know it's not an easy job, but most other people work similar hours.
I know they don't just work the hours the kids are in school, but it's monday -friday, with time to shop on Saturday, Sunday, late night during the week.

BookwormMe · 24/11/2018 14:28

I respect the work teachers do and know it's not an easy job, but most other people work similar hours.

But those other people can put in a request to take holiday on any day of the year. Teachers are bound by the holidays set by councils. That's the issue here - the head wanted to give them a bit of flexibility.

TheFallenMadonna · 24/11/2018 14:31

This is to try to retain teaching staff, at a time when there is a massive recruitment and retention crisis. It doesn't matter if teachers get long holidays (we do) or are well paid (ish). Despite those things, schools struggle to recruit good staff, and struggle to hold on to the ones they have. If you have a child at school, it's probably worth looking beyond any perceptions of a cushy job at the realities of your child's education if the current situation continues, and supporting school leaders' efforts to make their staff feel valued and thus more inclined to stay.

Weetabixandshreddies · 24/11/2018 14:31

I respect the work teachers do and know it's not an easy job, but most other people work similar hours.
I know they don't just work the hours the kids are in school, but it's monday -friday, with time to shop on Saturday, Sunday, late night during the week.

Really? My son is a NQT teaching yrs 7 - 13.

He gets to school at 7am and works until 6pm. Then he drives home and works for another 2 hours at home. Then he works one of the days at the weekend.

Most weeks since September he has had one late night at school either parent meetings or year 6 or 6th form open evenings. These run from end of school until 9pm so on those days he's worked from 7am until 9pm.

And most other people are working these hours are they? With only one day off per week?

RomanyRoots · 24/11/2018 14:34

Don't teachers know this when they sign up?
I know I most certainly did.
Teachers get much more holiday than everyone else and really don't need a shopping day.
Yes, I too used to work long hours, but managed to do all our shopping.

LJdorothy · 24/11/2018 14:38

I had a Christmas shopping day in my first teaching post nearly 30 years ago and thought it bloody marvellous. Hasn't happened since and I know of absolutely no schools where time off is allowed for shopping days. It's hard enough to get time off for a relative's funeral.

TheFallenMadonna · 24/11/2018 14:42

It's not about time for shopping. It's about feeling valued.

MissMarplesKnitting · 24/11/2018 14:43

I think most people when they sign up for teaching don't realise the extent bro which it takes over everything.

Particularly in the past. I've been teaching over a decade and conditions and workload are far worse than when I started.

I'm part time, but I can see how frazzled full time teachers would massively appreciate the chance to go Christmas shopping or just get stuff done.

Weetabixandshreddies · 24/11/2018 14:43

RomanyRoots

I don't think they know how overwhelming the work is no. How could they? Look at the views on here - teachers finish at 3, get lots of holiday, get all the weekends off.

The reality doesn't hit until you are in it.

All this for £22000 a year which is what my son is earning.

Yes he could leave. He could get another job. Either shorter hours or much much better pay and perks for the same hours but is that what we want? Do we want good teachers to leave and then what? Employ people for whom 60 hour weeks earning £22000 a year is a good deal? They certainly won't be graduates will they?

Weetabixandshreddies · 24/11/2018 14:46

My son doesn't live at home.

He doesn't have time to do his washing, his housework or shopping. We help him out by being sort of glorified housekeepers. We stock his freezer with ready meals or he wouldn't eat. Something will have to change because none of us can sustain this.

SilverApples · 24/11/2018 14:55

Give it another decade, I wonder what education in schools will look like, how much more chaotic, confused and fragmented will it be?
Currently, a huge number of primary schools are staffed by new entrants and part timers, and children’s well-being and mental health have never been more fragile.
Squabbling about minor details whilst a huge series of disasters is imminent is ridiculous.

Weetabixandshreddies · 24/11/2018 14:58

Currently, a huge number of primary schools are staffed by new entrants and part timers,

Same in secondary schools. It's because their wages are so much lower and at a time when schools are so strapped for cash that is an overwhelming factor. Ignore that we are losing experienced teachers who can mentor the newly qualified and provide support or that students need a level of expertise from their teachers no all that matters is money.

It is disgraceful.