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Cleaner left early

84 replies

mockorangey · 21/11/2018 11:59

I'm usually at work when the cleaner comes, but today I was working from home. After she left I realised she had finished 15 min early. I pay for 2 hour per week at £14.50 per hour, so not insignificant. Would you just let it go?

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ImpendingDisaster · 21/11/2018 13:51

I agree OP. The best thing would be for your cleaner to work one-seventh slower, so that your full time allocation is used up. Because that's what'll happen if you complain, and it would obviously be better for everyone.

This is my reasoning (I successfully detected the sarcasm!).

BatF1nk · 21/11/2018 13:57

It IS a big deal and it's the reason I got rid of two cleaners and now wouldn't have one again.

That leaving 15 mins early -- a one off, fine I suppose. But do it every week? Soon adds up

And all those who don't have an issue with it- try it next time you're sat in the office. It's 4.45pm, you're paid until 5pm but you've done everything. Why not just pop off home? Surely your boss won't mind?

It's sneaky and it indicates other issues. Either pay for the job itself or pay for the hours. As this cleaner had specified an hourly rate, she should be doing her job for both hours

WhyAmISoCold · 21/11/2018 14:04

I'd assume I was frequently paying for time thst wasn't being used tbh. Like a pp said, you can't get your work done in any other job and just sod off early when you are paid by the hour, this should be no different.

mockorangey · 21/11/2018 14:06

I get what everyone is saying - she did what I expected her to do so what does 15 minutes really matter? But on the other hand, I'm annoyed as there were clearly extra things that could have been done and things that could have been done better. Even if she couldn't think of anything else to do, I was right there. She could have just said to me - I've finished 15 minutes early, is there anything else you'd like me to do? I do pay quite a high hourly rate too.

DH works from home quite a bit, so I'll ask him next time how long she's here for.

I think I'll ask the business owner to make sure she is doing under rugs and beds and if she has anytime left over to do things like skirting boards and top of picture frames.

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Gigglebrain · 21/11/2018 14:07

It’s easy to say, you’re so tight, it’s only 15 minutes, but if she does this every day then she’s taking the piss, and the cost will add up. Why should op pay for time when the cleaner is nt working the full time.

Diddlysquats · 21/11/2018 14:09

Yes, you definitely need to probably spell it out to her what extra needs to be done. I'm guessing some of them are like husbands and need to be told what needs to be done.

devona · 21/11/2018 14:10

I imagine that she's stayed longer than her paid time previously. It's 15 minutes - let it go.

dreamingofsun · 21/11/2018 14:10

when i first took my cleaner on around 20 years ago i remember going around the house with her and agreeing what needed doing and then after that was done, we had a sort of clean whatever you think looks dirty arrangement. this works well for us and i just let her get on with things and leave a note sometimes about anything extra i want done that week.

if she leaves early again i would refer to the conversation you had with her boss about doing things more quickly once she got used to the house and now you have noticed that she has perhaps she can do xyz

devona · 21/11/2018 14:12

Also - £14.5 an hour is not a high hourly rate, it's pretty standard.

SilkenTofu · 21/11/2018 14:13

This reminds me of the time I was paying 2 x cleaners £10 an hour to clean my house. Back then £10 was loads. They were there for 2 hours. I came home 1 hour into the clean to find them sitting on the sofa eating my carrot cake with a cup of tea. My dad and GF, who was staying with me at the time, gave me a massive bollocking about working them too hard and how wasn't brought up to treat people like that.

Diddlysquats · 21/11/2018 14:15

£14.50 is a high hourly rate. I paid mine through an agency. It was £12 per hour. The way they worked it was that you actually paid the cleaner £9 cash per hour, the other £3 went on them paying NI and insurance.

Regnamechanger · 21/11/2018 14:15

Ex self employed cleaner here. I was always paid by the hour and I would use that extra 15 minutes to do a job that isn't done every week. Cleaning some windows inside, moving furniture to clean under etc. Always something to be done.

mockorangey · 21/11/2018 14:16

I imagine that she's stayed longer than her paid time previously. It's 15 minutes - let it go.
I'll figure out how much of a problem it is once I know whether she does it regularly

Also - £14.5 an hour is not a high hourly rate, it's pretty standard.
It's the highest rate I have come across in my area

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Diddlysquats · 21/11/2018 14:17

That was through maid2clean.co.uk if you want to check the veracity.

Dontgiveamonkeys1350 · 21/11/2018 14:32

Okay. Flip side. I’m a cleaner. I sometimes leave early. I work on a rotation system for things. So one week I will add in the skirting boards and that means I end up staying longer. On another day where I don’t do as much I leave earlier.

I would talk to her and ask her why.

100Pumpkins · 21/11/2018 14:36

My cleaner most weeks "leaves early" - when I realised this I spent a bit of time thinking about it, decided she was trustworthy and did a good job and it honestly was not worth arguing over

christmaschristmaschristmas · 21/11/2018 14:38

This would really irk me.

Our cleaner comes while we're at work so it is a trust thing. We pay very well and I imagine she is aware we'll sack her if she isn't putting in the effort.

I always leave a note on the table saying please do this extra.

HollowTalk · 21/11/2018 14:40

£14.50 is almost double the minimum wage - in the north west that would be a very good wage for cleaning.

christmaschristmaschristmas · 21/11/2018 14:41

I agree - 14.95£ is a reasonable rate...we're LDN based but pay 22£ p/h. 30£ p/h if we want an additional clean within 24 hours notice, for example we're having an impromptu dinner party etc.

superbean · 21/11/2018 14:42

Ahhh this exact thing happened to me YESTERDAY!!!

My cleaners (there are 2 together) do 5 hours a week. £19 an hour. The business owner told me 3 years ago when they started that my house needed 5 hours. They are good, so fine.

But the last few weeks they've been finishing earlier and earlier, and yesterday between them they did 4 hours not 5. So over the month that could be about £80 they'll invoice for but haven't done.

I texted the business owner last night, and said (in a friendly way), if you finish in under the 5 hours then let me know as I have more jobs that you could do. She replied that "they have done the agreed work". This has really pissed me off, as I bet when I get the invoice they will have charged for 5 hours not 4. I am so cross! Will be taking it up with them next week.....

mockorangey · 21/11/2018 14:43

HollowTalk the business owner will be taking a cut of it - I don't know how much exactly, but presumably still a relatively decent hourly rate left over for the cleaner.

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mockorangey · 21/11/2018 14:49

superbean wow that is quite a big difference. I would definitely be taking that up with them

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feralfanny · 21/11/2018 14:49

Your cleaner is an idiot! She should have slowed right down and left after 2 hours 5 minutes in a loud rush knowing you were at home and clock watching!! 😂
Not that I have ever been a cleaner and hid in the loo playing candy crush while the lady of the house was in residence - no never ever!!!

VanGoghsDog · 21/11/2018 15:15

@1Wanda1

I had a wonderful cleaner once, who would sometimes text me and say "I've finished all the jobs but still have 20 mins left, what can I do?" That was so nice.

It's funny isn't it, how we all feel differently. My cleaner does that and it does my head in - I think 'well, you're in the house, I'm at work; you're a cleaner, I'm an HR consultant - you work out what needs cleaning' - it's like when taxi drivers ask the way you want them to go - dunno mate, that's your job.

I often don't see her texts until hours later anyway since I am busy at work.

DanglyEeerieOrnaments · 21/11/2018 15:20

As a business owner you need to be costing into your price just for the labour cost around £10 per hour if you are to pay the staff at min wage because you have to factor in all statutory rights such as holiday pay, pension sick, pay etc so this is what the labour factor will cost you to provide.

Then you need to pay for travel costs, equipment, supplies, marketing, accountancy, insurance and all other business costs that you will find you have.

Because good cleaning staff are hard to come by you will have to pay them more than min wage to cover all costs and still leave yourself with a wage and a small profit margin. You ourself will work around the clock to manage a business with staff, your own wage will not be anywhere near min wage.

So realistically £15 per hour is just about doable to charge, when you hit the VAT threshold like us you then have to add 20% to this so we now have to charge £18 per hour for our service inc VAT. Luckily there is still a strong market for a good detailed service at this price but margins are still very tight at our end and it is not a get-rich industry,

Solo cleaners who don;t need to factor in staff costs still need to remember they are self employed so £10 an hour is only just min wage in real terms then you take off your travel costs, insurance, admin time and costs plus all your other costs of doing business and cancellations will cost you money. £10 is NOWHERE near the min wage for you.

You need to charge a LOT more to make it work especially if you grow with staff. It's a whole lot of work and hassle. I love it, and I also used to love it when I was the solo cleaner, but it's not for everyone and most do give up once they realise the effort involved in keeping the wheels of the business turning and everything running fluently. and this is why cleaners are in short supply in most areas.

You have to charge a lot more than you think and once they realise this a lot just give up at that point deciding it's not worth the hassle for what you are left with pay-wise.

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