To change nursery over this ?

[anxiousmotherof1]

My ds is on antibiotics i took him to nursery after 4 days and completed a form for them to continue the medicine until the course is done . They havent given him his dose today !! My husband pick him up so i didnt speak with the lady there but she said that he was asleep and when he woke up it was tea time so they thought is too late ?? He only started a week ago and this just rings alarm bells for me ! Am i being too harsh ?

Now that would be an even bigger warning bell to me. If they in fact just forgot to give him his dose and then lied to cover it up - there would be no trust for me after that and that is essential with a nursery IMO.

@MrsStrowman i actually wake him up to give him is importan for antibiotics to be evenly spread throughout the day

@AnastasiaVonBeaverhausen thats what i am thinking why is the log saying one thing and they are saying other

Yeah I would be more annoyed that you asked it to be given at 3, they said he was asleep, yet sleep log says 2.40.

Sounds like they forgot. In which case I would have a chat with the manager, and make it clear you want total honesty

You don’t need to wake for antibiotics. We have been told that many times when ds has been in hospital

When it comes to childcare go with your gut. I had my kids with a less than satisfactory childminder for a while and even though it was several years ago I still regret not getting them out sooner.

However. If apart from this incident you've been happy, if you are generally happy with them then you give them a chance. Talk to them and ask them how they will make sure it doesn't happen again. See if you are satisfied with their response.

The nursery I used when ds2 started managed to leave him in the same nappy all day poor kid. I knew because they were cloth and I knew which nappy I'd sent him in. We talked, they apologised and reviewed their procedure and changed their practice. And ds2 had happy years there.

i actually wake him up to give him is importan for antibiotics to be evenly spread throughout the day

I have three children and umpteen antibiotics and other prescription meds, never have I had to wake a child to give them meds.. 3 x a day means after each meal or before if on an empty stomach. You’re OTT in the dosing schedule. You found out a 6m give them a dose then and then another dose at 8 or 11 or whenever suits you. If he is well enough to be at nursery probably missing one dose won’t set back his recovery. However if you don’t like the nursery just leave now.

I wouldn't change nursery but yes I think it's terrible they missed a dose. It's not meeting his basic needs in my opinion. Whether they agree or disagree with children being prescribed anti biotics is neither here nor there, this child was prescribed them and they should be giving it.

He's only been there a week, if you change nursery after this before the month is out you'll have run out of places to change him to! Speak to the manager for clarification, it's not life and death and if it is why are you putting work before it?

Should they have given it to him when he woke up? Absolutely.

Have they overlooked something that really they shouldn't have done? Absolutely.

Are you overreacting? Absolutely.

I'm assuming you gave your DS the antibiotic asap when discovering he hadn't had it? Okay he should have had it earlier but they've been administering it fine up until now and they were honest with you about the fact that they hadn't given it to him. So he hasn't missed a dose. Being late isn't ideal but it shouldn't cause any harm. At least they were honest, they could have lied and said he had taken it when they hadn't which would obviously show that they don't take these kinds of things seriously - clearly they do.

A mistake was made. If you have no other issues, DS is doing well and enjoying it then why on earth take him out? They will make mistakes sometimes, they have other children to look after. Your son wasn't hurt and no harm has been done.

Please don't change nurseries over this. It is too soon and a genuine mistake, at this stage.

I would have expected them to call if they were unsure.

Why do you wake for antibiotics? You just give them three times a day(I usually do mealtimes). You don’t need to wake at 11pm unless you have been told to do that.

i actually wake him up to give him is importan for antibiotics to be evenly spread throughout the day
This is madness

@Thesearmsofmine i was always told antibiotics should be strictly every 8 hours . At least thats what is the normal advise where am from i guess not here

www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/what-should-i-do-if-i-miss-a-dose-of-antibiotics/

Ideally, your doses should be equally spaced throughout the day and taken at the same times each day. This helps to maintain a constant level of medication in your bloodstream.

;p i take ideally to mean strictly !

Ideally the intervals should be equal but it's unlikely that you will encounter any issues for taking them late. Missing one definitely can and often does.

So whilst it's not ideal to be late it isn't the end of the world and you don't need to wake a child or an adult for the purpose of taking an antibiotic. The course being completed is the most important thing.

I’d be very upset and would be going in to talk to them about it.

If they didn’t have answers for the discrepancies in the log vs what they told me, and didn’t seem bothered about the missed dose, then yes I would change nurseries.

I'd say it was a bit odd of them - surely you would just give the dose a little later when he woke up. That said I wouldn't move nurseries over it.

I've been a room leader in the baby room of a nursery, and had understandably frustrated parents, like yourself, come to me about the same issue. However in our policy for medicine it stated that medicine has to be administered within 10 minutes of the time stated by the parents. If a child was sleeping and was on antibiotics I would have called to get verbal permission from the parent. As your little one has only recently started nursery, they wouldn't have wanted to upset him by waking him prematurely, so next time I would make it clear that's what you would prefer. Trust me, all nursery practitioners want to do is what they feel is best. Maybe ask them to call you to check it's okay to give it later if it happens again. It's very difficult settling in new children as in most nursery a there is not the staff for 1-1 with them. Definitely make sure they know your concerns, but it's not a major issue. These things happen, we're all human hope your little one is well again soon

Well what troubles me is that the log says he slept until 14:20 which is not the same with what she was saying so i dont know what to believe

That makes it a concern.

Missing a dose because he was asleep is not great, but it's not heinous. However was he asleep or did they just forget?

If they just forgot then that's not acceptable.

I don't think you're over-reacting at all, especially as they lied about when he woke up. If the log says 2:20pm is when he woke up, they should not have missed 3pm and that is a cause for concern. Them lying to you makes it worse. Definetely speak to the manager about it.

Not a big deal in my opinion but you don’t seem like you want to listen to the many posters telling you that. They forgot, it happens. Just for the next dose when you remember

Heya anxiousmotherof1,

Nursery deputy here - this has happened at my nursery before. I’ve had panicked staff run into the office who suddenly have realised they should have given meds at 3 or after lunch and they’ve now fallen asleep etc and it’s now 4pm and oh god what do we do?
I have always said to give it to them there and then and ensure the parents know the time it was given so that the next dose isn’t too soon.
Does the nursery have a medical form surely for medicines? Our one is filled in with parents present before they leave- clearly states medicines name, time to give and what dosage. Has to be then signed with time by giver and a witness when given- and then the parent signs at the end of the day.
What I have never seen is a daily constant medication be forgotten (such as mentioned above, a child with epilepsy or in need of a daily frequent asthma pump) probably because it’s so ingrained in staff heads!
My initial thought to this was a staff member has completely forgotten, and they’ve panicked and tried to formulate what happened and go from there.

So, Here’s what I suggest you should do when he is next in:
Go on calmly, not all-guns-blazing. Say you wish to speak to the manager now.
Explain what happened. You gave them antibiotics, you gave them a time. Explain the reason you were given and the log book and say this doesn’t match up.
Ask how medicines are recorded. Ask to see the forms if you haven’t.
Ultimately say that this has made you upset and nervous as you are new and you would like reassurance that this will never happen again.
Ask what they are going to do about it.

A good manager will follow this up. Nursery staff are human and will make mistakes. I think changing nurseries after this is drastic but it is still serious and needs following up. In mine the manager would call in the staff concerned and establish what happened and it would depend on other circumstances as to whether this leads to awarning or what not. If forms for recording Meds don’t exist (I can’t possibly see this being the case in this day and age) then you need to know why bloody not!

Take a breath - this was a mistake - despite what you may see there could easily be a staff member having a fit about this inside right now (I’ve been in this boat before) and feeling horrible about it. Go in there , get some follow up, and monitor as you go along.

Just wanted to say to all the “i have had anti bios a zillion times and just fitted them in around our active lifestyle posters”

Please try to remember a sick child can be v stressful. My youngest is on antibios, steroids and a new inhaler we got at the weeekend. I havent slept out of a chair since Friday as she coughs scarily if lying flat.

I have had 3 days off and i sent her in this pm. If they hadnt given the meds as I instructed I would have combusted.

I am worried and shattered. Please remember there is a human being behind these posts.

@ShadowHuntress yes you are right most seem to be very relax about it

To me forgetting to give medication is an issue maybe not one to change nurseries over but definately one to be a bit concerned
Anw thanks everyome for your responses i will definately speak to the manager and explain that is not what i would expect !