School ban Canada goose coats

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I feel slightly on the fence.. What do you think?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/16/schools-right-ban-pupils-wearing-designer-coats

@EvaReady @Liketoshop Aldo very interested in the evidence since whole nations don't bother with uniforms.

Particularly interested in the "strong" evidence - as I thought what was available was flimsy and weak. But I'm sure Liketoshop wouldn't make such a strong statement without knowing the facts.

I think it's ridiculous for a school to ban them especially when it's now winter and they are being worn.

Wealth may have no place in school but for all the banning of brands or no label shoes etc there will be an expensive pen, or phone and the talk of what they done in the holidays.

Its bad enough that schools are being made to produce little robots who think and look the same but in the real world some people are wealthier and it will show no matter how hard anyone tries.

Liketoshop do you always declare confidently that there is "strong evidence" for things which you want to believe are true but in fact have no convincing evidence for, and in fact have not troubled yourself to look into beyond your feelings and emotions, and something that you think you maybe read somewhere or saw on TV or overheard someone say on the no. 10 bus?

Are you, perhaps, a politician? Is there sting evidence that leaving the EU will free up £350 million for the NHS?

I think it's wrong. Aren't we supposed to live in a society with free choice? What next to ban? How about the latest Iphone? Doesn't it fall into the same category? I would start with that.

The best way to prepare our children for the future is to teach them resilience and not pretend that in life we will all have the same, because we won't. That is the reality.

There are more important issues schools should be dealing with and I doubt banning a coat resolves anything!

There's strong evidence that people make lots of stuff up online.

Mumof03 is that true? Is free choice enshrined in UK law? I thought that was freedom of speech?

Either no uniform, no coat rules, or uniform rules can include coat rules.

If you accept or support school uniform youre a hypocrite arguing against the rules about coats IMO. School uniforms are arbitrary, and applied in a like it or lump it fashion, in general.

There have been lits of reasons pointed out why banning these coats is far more relevant than policing the cut of children's polyester trousers, their hair cut or how long the visible part of their tie is, and wealth is a red herring:

The coats are probably fakes according to people who know the area - supporting the black market.

If they are genuine there is animal cruelty involved in their production.

Parents get their knickers in a twist if expensive property goes missing in school and waste teachers' time and cause annoyance, disruption, ill feeling stress and arguments demanding teachers search for lost expensive items or pay for expensive items their children have lost.

FranciscoGoya very true. Strong evidence of that is easy to find!

@Lilywc yes my jaw dropped when DH informed me they had real fur on them. I can't believe people are intentionally buying real fur!

My teenagers never wear a coat to school unless it’s subzero! Hardly any of the kids in a 1000 plus pupil school do as they have to carry them round all day. There is certainly no bullying about the price of coats they do wear. Ds has one primark £10 coat but more often sticks a big hoodie over his uniform, whilst dd has a wide variety of coats from primark, right up to Canada Goose (I didn’t buy it). The Canada Goose probably gets the least amount of wear and she’s considering selling it.

Yep each coat has 1Coyote pelt on the hood! And countless geese plucked ALIVE for the padding !, the most cruelly made coats !
They should be banned just for those reasons am one XX

Those poor Coyotes are trapped and sometimes even bite their own legs off to try to escape and then shot,,or freeze to death waiting to be collected, and the geese suffer by plucking alive

Dear god princess that's awful, I saw something about it on facebook the other day but sort of forgot to look at it carefully.

So really anyone buying one for their kids or themselves is an arsehole I would have said?

DishingOutDone yes it is awful how these poor animals suffer, you can google how Canada Goose coats are made and what from
Also saw a watchdog programme recently about which shos are selling real fur, TKMax was one of them also some on Ebay and Amazon
I have a rabbit fur jacket i was bought a long time ago, but i have never worn it, it actually says rabbit fur on the label, cant bring myself to wear it,
Alot of the pompom hats have been found to have real fur on them, after being tested

Liketoshop was it your dc's Headteacher who told you about there being strong evidence to support their overly strict school uniform policy?

It's a great school in many respects, just some kids are overlooked and ignored when bullying is mentioned. The coat thing isn't important in the scheme of things

Our excellent, highly selective, local sixth form college has no uniform and half of the kids seem to have wacky pink hair. They get brilliant results and are always winning awards.

I think uniform is bollocks but I despise the "Look how rich I am" brigade. One of DS's school mates has a CG coat for school and they are very crass people in all sorts off ways.

On the subject of fur, every other student girl in Manchester and Liverpool had a fur coat last winter and not all were fakes. My own girls had vintage ones and the lady they bought them from said she couldn't source them to sell fast enough. I'm not sure about vintage fur, does it perpetuate the fashion or is it an ethical non consumerist choice?

I just dont get why you would spend that much on a coat. If you need a warm coat, go to Trespass or another cheap outdoor pursuits retailer and get one from there.

It's just showing off really isn't it? Plus most likely to be nicked/dragged on the floor/spat on.

As pp's have said, most people with money couldn't give a monkey's arse for these labels. My aunt is wealthy and I'm definitely not and we're both happy with supermarket brands. I think it's people who are fooled by aspirational advertising that buy in to this. Most people don't care.

The schools are just covering their arse incase the coat gets nicked or damaged.

@Lily
Exactly what I commented up thread. Just got some reply about a poster hating coyotes and not caring where the down comes from 🙁

@Lilywc

I (and several other posters) have mentioned the cruelty of these (and other) coats, long before you came on.

I mentioned how cruel they were yesterday, and posted various links & photos about the cruel practices but none of my comments seem to have been added to the conversation

“there's strong evidence of uniforms increasing student's academic achievements”

Woild that be the strong evidence from the Oxford Brooke study that was commissioned and paid for by a major school uniform manufacturer? And was the only UK study to come to that conclusion?

there's strong evidence of uniforms increasing student's academic achievements How do teachers feel about this? All your hard work and all that really needed to happen to improve standards was a change of outfit!

So poor people need fake designer goods to feel good? I never did