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Red flags or just enthusiastic and oblivious

9 replies

Helperout · 14/11/2018 10:52

Just looking for opinions on this please. My DD (10 almost 11) and my DS (7) are friends with a sister and brother who are the same ages. They have been friends with these siblings for a good number of years and both children have come to our house and my children have been to their house for parties and playdates.
The sibling's parents are separated since the boy was a baby and the mother was in another relationship for a good few years up until about 18 months ago.
My children went to a birthday party at their house about 18 months ago (I didn't know at the time that the mother's relationship with the previous man had ended) and there was a man in the house. The mother introduced him to me as the children's uncle and I assumed he was either her brother or brother in law.
When I collected the children I noticed this man (Ill call him Jack) on the ground tickling the children and generally being very physical with them, chasing them, pulling them to the ground and tickling their bellies etc. In particular I noticed he kept doing it to my son. I was talking to the mother and watching this through the kitchen window.
Im not normally suspicious but the hairs on the back of neck stood up and I felt an instinct to get him away from this man. I called into the garden and told the children we were leaving.
The man had 2 large dogs with him and my DS was very nervous around them and startled when one came into the kitchen. Jack then went over to DS and started explaining about how the dogs were friendly, as he was doing this he was down as DS's level, very much in his face and was rubbing his back.

I took DS by the hand and said our goodbyes. I told DH about it and he said just trust your instinct.

Anyway 2 weeks ago the sister was having her 11th birthday party in a local swimming pool and DD was invited. The mother also invited DS but both myself and Dh agreed he wouldn't go as we were concerned Jack would be in the pool with the boys and we didn't feel comfortable with that.
DH dropped DD off and collected her. He was asking DD about the party and she said Jack was in the pool with all the girls tickling them and picking the up and throwing them around.
Both myself and DH think that is really odd behaviour, Jack is not the girl's father, he doesn't know most of the girls as he is only living with the mother about 6/8 months, I don't know any other father who would think its acceptable for them to get into the pool with a bunch of 10/11 year old girls in their swimsuits and be tickling and touching them.
The mother was not in the pool, Jack was the only adult.

We cant decide if he is just very enthusiastic about playing with children and (having none himself) he is oblivious about how it looks to people or if these are red flags.
DD is really good friends with this girl and they have been begging for more playdates (I have not let DD to the house since the party). The girl has come here a few times and the mother has invited my DD to hers a few times since but I keep making excuses for her not to go.

Any opinions on this?

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Helperout · 14/11/2018 10:56

Sorry I should say that at the party in the house DS told me he kept telling Jack to stop but he wouldn't and that DS didn't like it.

I know my brother would act like this and it would be innocent, he doesn't know when to stop when rough housing with kids and takes protestations as encouragement to keep going. He doesn't see the harm.

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FearLoveAndTheTimeMachine · 14/11/2018 10:58

I know my brother would act like this and it would be innocent, he doesn't know when to stop when rough housing with kids and takes protestations as encouragement to keep going. He doesn't see the harm.

That is not innocent. That’s violating consent and into the realm of physical abuse.

Trust your instinct with this man. But you should also be careful with your brother having unrestrained access to your children too.

flossieisbossy · 14/11/2018 11:01

Your son asked him to stop and he didn't
That's enough for me
I'd tell the mother exactly why they wouldn't be going to their house

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 14/11/2018 11:02

Look, I know this is fucking hackneyed but trust your gut.

I am not saying this Jack is a danger to children per se, but you perceive him to be overtly handsy with yours and for that reason I’d suggest

A) try and eliminate all chances of the children being around him from now on. No more play dates at theirs. You are doing this already, just keep repeating. BUT

B) if you have true concerns you should continue to enable the friendships of all the children: by hosting them at yours or offering to take them all to the park or something you can keep an eye out for any changes in their friends’ behaviour which may be concerning.

YANBU. I’d do the same.

beenandgoneandbackagain · 14/11/2018 11:05

Is "Jack" English or is he from a more touchy-feely culture? I know that in France, Italy, Greece, the adults seem quite happy to ruffle DD's hair, etc. or make a fuss of her.

It's a tricky one to call - he may just like kids, my partner and DD love playing/swimming together. But he would definitely not get as physical with her friends, and he would not tickle her unless I was there (she is still of an age to love being tickled). He certainly wouldn't tickle her friends.

How was your DD when she was talking about the pool party - did she think that Jack's behaviour was okay or did it make her uncomfortable?

I'd also have an issue with anyone having dogs around at a children's birthday party - excitable kids and animals don't mix.

ShadyLady53 · 14/11/2018 11:08

My cousins husband was exactly like this when I was little (34 now) and he would never harm a child, he was like a giant kid himself!

However...trust your gut. Not all men who like horseplay etc are potential abusers obviously but there are some red flags with this man and something within you is reacting quite strongly so listen to that. Keep your kids safe.

AnotherEmma · 14/11/2018 11:10

Oh come on. My husband is French and there is no way he or any of our French family or friends would think it's ok for a man to get in a swimming pool with a load of 10/11yo girls and touch them to.

This is not a nationality/culture thing. It's a pervert thing.

OP I suggest you call NSPCC to discuss your concerns and get advice. And take some of these replies with a pinch of salt.

allthgoodusernamesaretaken · 14/11/2018 11:10

at the party in the house DS told me he kept telling Jack to stop but he wouldn't and that DS didn't like it

I wouldn't be happy about that. The rest of it could be completely innocent

Ohyesiam · 14/11/2018 11:18

Do you not need to feedback to the mother that Jack’s touching made them uncomfortable, and that’s why you won’t let them back for play dates.
If he’s a potential danger to children it needs to be flagged up.
I know that puts you Ina tricky situation, but if this man is credible he must go round with blinkers on.

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