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AIBU about DS school, i've pissed the headmaster off

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oiiiiiii · 09/11/2018 16:24

My DS (6) has just started grade 1 (non UK). He was in kindergarten last year at the same school, but now it's full day, with full school recess.

I have never had an ounce of trouble with this child. He is bookish, sweet and empathetic. Daycare since 1 year old and always reports of how gentle and easy going he is. Kindergarten at this current school - same thing. Lots of friendships and accomplishments.

Grade 1 has been two months long. In that period:

  • class teacher lost him after school for 90 minutes. Was meant to go to afterschool care; turns out teacher put him on a bus, but she didn't remember doing this, etc. He was fine. It was horrific. I thought he had been kidnapped.
  • First parent teacher conference, a month into the term, teacher reports that DS has ignored her instructions in class since beginning of year, done no work. First we had heard of it - turns out she was meant to have contacted us within first few days, she just didnt.
  • 6 reports of him being shoved to the ground during recess.
  • two incidents of him wielding a stick at other kids.
  • and a truly a shocking incident of him hitting another child in the head with a stone. I saw the stone. It was big.
  • regular reports of him straying out of bounds into the greenspace that surrounds the school. It's a HUGE area.

He himself tells me that the kids run rampant all over this greenspace, unsupervised, all recess, every recess. That's where the "fun play" is. Violence breaks out regularly in normal playing. Since they're unsupervised (teachers are leaning against the school building not wanting to chase after kids who are out of bounds), no adults are there to intervene.

All this has been overwhelmingly worrying. I have been in contact with the headmaster who can't seem to decide whether there is a problem or not. Been trying to coach my son to stay inside the boundaries since that seems to be the trigger point. If he stays within, violence is minimal.

I emailed the headmaster yesterday to ask for how DS has been doing with staying inside boundaries. I mentioned that I had observed recess myself (it's a public greenspace in our neighbourhood) and that what headmaster was saying didn't align with what I had observed. I need to know because DS is earning back privileges that he lost at the latest stick incident, by staying in bounds for one week. The reason I was around the school that day was because I'd had another report of shoving and needed to deal with that... I decided to come early and see what was happening at recess myself.

Headmaster is now upset that I saw recess / watched DS. I am "breaking down trust". I need to announce myself whenever I am near because he's "uncomfortable" that I would observe without telling him. He acknowledges that it's a public area but he's still saying I need to tell him.

My head is so mashed, I can't decide if I've just lost perspective. AIBU to have watched my son while he was out of bounds at school... he had strayed into a public place. Surely it's the school that should be earning back my trust?? I feel exhausted and perhaps I have this all wrong

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DearTeddyRobinson · 09/11/2018 17:15

Jesus OP I'd take him out of the school immediately. He's not safe, he's unlikely to be learning much, and the teachers clearly don't care. The ethos of the school will come from the top and the head sounds like a complete arsehole.

CecilyP · 09/11/2018 17:19

Canada is not a 3rd world country, sallysmith. If anything OP is under-reacting to what are serious safeguarding issues. Even if he is an especially badly behaved child (and I doubt if he is) it is still the school's responsibility to keep him safe, and putting him on a wrong bus for is a very serious breach of that.

I can't believe that the HT is criticising OP for being in a public space and observing what is going on when she had an absolute right to be there, as has any other adult. She really does not need to ask his permission.

OP, this is serious, you really need to escalate it.

Cabochard · 09/11/2018 17:20

A six year old, is s six year old smith
anywhere in a first world country!
Surely you’re not holding up the collection of water in an arrid African location as the norm or something to aim for?
6 in Canada will be pretty similar as the American Mid West. I lived there a long time - it would have been shocking and unacceptable to make recess in the way op has explained. The principal would have been sacked over an incident like that!
My kids played on grounds that weren’t even fenced in/ on rickety equipment ( by UK standards) and yet... nothing like we’ve heard ever happened!

eightoclock · 09/11/2018 17:21

You won't get sensible answers here - the UK is completely different. Here you can't go into a school unless you have had a criminal records check. Schools are all fenced and gated off - even 16 years olds aren't allowed off the premises any more. The idea of 6 year olds roaming free and mixing with the public is unthinkable here.

Cabochard · 09/11/2018 17:21

Oh and move your child and make a formal complaint.

abacucat · 09/11/2018 17:23

Okay it is clear then that you do have grounds for complaint OP.

Just to say, there are western countries such as Switzerland, where kids this age would not be supervised all the time, and would be expected not to wander away. We may not agree with it, but it is normal in some western countries.

helpmum2003 · 09/11/2018 17:23

I would move my child immediately - so sorry to hear what is happening....

April2020mom · 09/11/2018 17:40

Pull your child out of the school. This is not a good school. Additionally this is a safeguarding concern. Not sure what state you are in but I recommend emailing the school district. Are there any other good schools in the area or not?

StellaWouldYouTakeMeHome · 09/11/2018 17:43

Move him. Trust has been broken by them not you. Just move ASAP

Italiangreyhound · 09/11/2018 17:47

" If he stays within, violence is minimal." Can you move him?

"Headmaster is now upset that I saw recess / watched DS. I am "breaking down trust"." There is no trust because this place appears utterly untrustworthy.

"My head is so mashed, I can't decide if I've just lost perspective."

If you allow him to stay in a place where he is subject to violence and had enacted violence against others and yet the head is not sure if there is a problem and wants a warning from you if you go to a public place, then YES you have lost perspective. It's a fucking nightmare school.

"AIBU to have watched my son while he was out of bounds at school... he had strayed into a public place." No, you are not unreasonable.

"Surely it's the school that should be earning back my trust??" They could try but if it were me I would be gone...

"I feel exhausted and perhaps I have this all wrong" I am sorry you feel exhausted, but there is only one way to have this, it is an unsafe school. Unless this is a war zone with no other option, I'd move him now.

Thanks
Haffdonga · 09/11/2018 17:48

Sounds a nightmare Sad but if this is normal for Canadian schools would the alternative school be any different?

Would you be available to observe recess every day for a week, a month? You could couch it to the head as he's being so defensive I wonder what he wants to hide that you have real concerns about your ds's behaviour and will be observing him to monitor his behaviour until you are reassured he is behaving well and playing safely.

If they know you might be there at any time then the school may get their act together.

Racecardriver · 09/11/2018 17:48

I hope you responded Roth a sharply worded email to the effect that they broke the trust when they fucking lost your child!

Italiangreyhound · 09/11/2018 17:49

smithsally884 the other kids shoving the OPs "... to the ground during recess", are they sticking within the boundaries?

Italiangreyhound · 09/11/2018 17:50

OP's son... to the ground....

M3lon · 09/11/2018 17:53

I'd be telling the head teacher that I'd be there for recess every single day in order to keep my child safe while they aren't doing so.

They stuck him on a bus and failed to remember...but you are the one breaking the trust? Fuck no.

Copperbonnet · 09/11/2018 17:54

In our school in the US the teacher would have been in serious for putting him in the bus without scanning his barcode.

I’m a bit surprised unfenced public green space isn’t a safeguarding issue tbh.

GreenTulips · 09/11/2018 18:15

I think you need to reread your OP

This child's behaviour has changed unrecognisably and the only change is school. Something isn't right for a placid child to be in such conflict

Move him

Bue · 09/11/2018 18:28

I knew immediately this would be in Canada. Safeguarding in schools is different here, as in... it doesn't really seem to exist. I'm not even sure staff would know the word. DH is a teacher here and couldn't believe that he was asked nothing about safeguarding or child protection at interview.

A local example- you have to opt into receiving a phone call to check on your child's whereabouts if they do not show up at school and you haven't rung to say they won't be in. So if a child is AWOL and the parents haven't opted in, no one will do anything about it Confused As someone explained to me, some parents just won't want the hassle of being called.

oiiiiiii · 09/11/2018 19:34

@Bue

Yeah... I have heard of instances where the supervising teacher sits inside the school and just puts a traffic cone in the doorway so the kids know that if there's an injury, that's where the supervisor is. They can scream for the teacher and they wouldn't even hear.

It's crazy because it's not like the community looks out for the kids either, as you'd expect in a place like say Switzerland. You'd get the police called on you if you let your 6yo roam like that on a saturday morning. But it's fine if it's at school??

Maybe all schools are like this.
Possibly time to start shopping around. I hate this situation.

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