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Grenfell "joke"

24 replies

caroline161 · 06/11/2018 18:36

Sick joke by a bunch of idiots? Or actually worth police time to arrest them all and hold them in custody ?
Didn't see the people who authorised the cladding being arrested?

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Caprisunorange · 06/11/2018 18:39

How would you know who might’ve been aresated? There is also no reason to think people might not be arrested in the future, since the investigation is ongoing and about a billion times more complex than some thugs setting a bit of card on fire

Btw who do you imagine might be arrested for authorising the use of a perfectly legal, widely available, and widely used building material?

Nissemand · 06/11/2018 18:41

I know what you mean about people not being held accountable for the actual fire.

If the video of the bonfire hadn't been shared online, it would be a non-issue, but the police will always go for being seen to be doing something, however pointless.

If it ever got as far as a jury, they tend to be reluctant to convict unless they are sure the accused intended to cause fear, alarm, or distress. Intent counts for a lot with juries.

The bonfire lot are undoubtedly an unpleasant bunch of people though.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 06/11/2018 18:42

It was a sick joke by a bunch of idiots, should have nothing to do with the police.

Bombardier25966 · 06/11/2018 18:42

There is a criminal investigation into the Grenfell disaster.

When an act is carried out in order to cause distress to a group that have already been through so much then they should be subject to the criminal justice system.

BreakYourselfAgainstMyStones · 06/11/2018 18:44

The cladding was legal.

A bunch of sick, racist bastards making fun of a tragedy where 72 people died and videoing it may also be legal.

In both cases there will be an investigation to establish if any crimes have been committed.

Even if the men do not get charged, they should lose their jobs and have their lives ruined. Twisted cunts.

brummiesue · 06/11/2018 18:45

Their arrest is ridiculous, as unpleasant as the whole thing was people can say and do what they like within the boundaries of their own home. They didnt hurt anyone and noone would have been remotely affected had the footage not been released. It sets a very dangerous precedent when you can be arrested for joking around with your mates at home - regardless of how tasteless the joke may be.

ThePinkOcelot · 06/11/2018 18:47

It was a sick joke by a bunch of idiots. Hardly illegal!
The police are currently searching a house in London! WTF for? The rest of the cardboard used for the cut outs?
What an absolute waste of police time and money!!

Caprisunorange · 06/11/2018 18:49

Well it could be anything thepinkocelot maybe they’re members of a hate group. Maybe they are drug dealers or distributing images of child sexual abuse. You don’t really know what a quick visit from the police will uncover from a thug do you?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 06/11/2018 18:50

Its an argument ive struggled with all day- tbh i think its a slight waste of police time but Im so glad the daily mail has shown their faces, where they live etc- i hope they get whats coming to them

surferjet · 06/11/2018 18:50

.........meanwhile, another teenager has been stabbed to death in London. That’s 5 in less than a week.
Where the the ‘outrage’ threads about that?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 06/11/2018 18:52

Sadiq Kan't will no doubt spiel out the usual lines about how awful this is- yet the endless stabbings are by the by

Caprisunorange · 06/11/2018 18:58

I’m not sure stabbing are comparable to be honest. This is easily dealt with, and has an immediate impact. Knife crime is complex and it’s not something you can just stop. Even improvements would take many, many years, so long people wouldn’t even notice it was happening (like gun crime of the early 2000s, successfully dealt with and quickly forgotten by the public despite being a great success story)

Weebitawks · 06/11/2018 19:05

It was disgusting. But I will be very surprised if any person involved with the distribution of the cladding gets as harsh a treatment.

And caprisunorange the person who authorised the “perfectly legal” building material should be held to account, because it was obviously some twat taking a back hander who allowed this pile of dangerous shit to be available on the market.

Caprisunorange · 06/11/2018 19:10

Weebitawks Of course it wasn’t. Do you have any idea how many buildings in the U.K. were/ are still clad in the exact same material? There is no one isolated dodgy decision re grenfell. It was a widely accepted building material. Whether or not it should have been is something for the inquest.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 06/11/2018 19:21

Regardless of the cladding, Grenfell was knowingly below saftey standards- there were fuse boxes and boilers fitted incorrectly, power surges, and when the action group legitimately raised concerns they were THREATENED with legal action. People should absolutely go to prison- hate crime. Hate towards poor people.

Caprisunorange · 06/11/2018 19:23

Well no, they’ll go to prison for health and safety violations/ corporate manslaughter

lolaflores · 06/11/2018 20:03

Didn't they hand themselves in? Saved the police a trip at least.
Obviously no crime al master.inds for uploading their collective dickheadery to the internet.
Which makes it public and therefore a different set of circumstances.
What they represented in their video was vile. Far below all possible standards of basic human behaviour that o would expect from a good citizen.

They do not represent any sort of society I wish to be associated with.

MakeAHouseAHome · 06/11/2018 20:35

Utterly ridiculous waste of police time. It may be in poor taste, but it is a joke, freedom of speech, in their own home.

OhComeOnRon · 06/11/2018 20:43

Totally agree it's a ridiculous waste of police time.

Cambalamb · 06/11/2018 20:48

Utterly ridiculous waste of police time. It may be in poor taste, but it is a joke, freedom of speech, in their own home.

It's a sick act carried out by imbeciles had it stayed in their own home. Posting it on social media is a game changer imo. Definitely not a waste of police time. They are scum and need to be reprimanded.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 07/11/2018 00:17

Posting it on social media is a game changer imo.

So why aren't Youtube being visited by the police because they were the ones that published the video.

HelenaDove · 07/11/2018 00:30

I look forward to seeing you on the thread ive kept updated on the News board OP!

HelenaDove · 07/11/2018 00:34

Post by @BigChocFrenzy on another thread.

Imagine if Muslims made a model of the Manchester arena bombing, with models of the victims and filmed themselves gloating over it.
Still think "free speech" means they shouldn't be arrested ?
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HelenaDove Tue 06-Nov-18 22:22:45

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/06/grenfell-bonfire-video?CMP=share_btn_tw

"There can be no excuse for the cruelty that was shown in that now infamous Grenfell video. It’s disgusting and vile. Unfortunately, many survivors and bereaved families endured the pain of watching people mock the trauma we all suffered that night. There is enough pain – we don’t deserve this.

Now the anger and outrage I felt after watching it has subdued, my only emotion is sadness. Sadness that this is what a small minority of our society thinks is acceptable – not only to mock the dead but also our community in general.
Grenfell bonfire video: police search house as six men questioned
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Some of the misperceptions in the video – the “That’s what happens when they don’t pay their rent” comment – and the tone are not new to us. I feel like we have been fighting the judgment in it since day one. Although we’d rather focus on justice and change, our fight is also about being treated with dignity.

There was so much misinformation in the early days after the fire and much of it was spread by the media. Unfortunately many of those early misperceptions have stuck and, without really looking for the truth, some members of the public believe what they read and hear. It is a narrative that we are still trying to correct.

It started with the numbers of people living in the tower being wildly exaggerated, and was followed by a focus on the “amnesty for illegal immigrants”. No one followed up to say that the amnesty wasn’t actually necessary. We are Londoners: many of us grew up here, many had lived in the tower since birth, others have made London their home through hard work.

This idea that we don’t pay our way is untrue. Many of the flats may have been social housing, but we still paid good rent to live there. We had to put up with these attitudes from the tenant management organisation and contractors before the fire – that we should just be grateful to be there. It seems like, in some pockets of society, that attitude still exists.

Just last week I got a call from the BBC asking how I felt as a Grenfell survivor about the introduction of universal credit in North Kensington. I asked them why they were calling me about it as I am not eligible for benefits because I work. Editors had just presumed they could put a Grenfell spin on a benefits story, without bothering to question themselves why. Of course, some people do claim benefits because they need them. It certainly doesn’t make them bad. It’s more the lazy assumption by the media that grates on us.

If you take time to watch bereaved family members paying tribute to their loved ones at the start of the inquiry or the survivors who are giving evidence at the moment, you hear of people who called their work in the middle of the fire to apologise for not being able to make it in. You hear from business owners, managers, student nurses, university students and at-home carers, and a community that kept an eye out for each other. We come from all religions and none. And it was thanks to many brave young Muslim men returning from prayers that night, who ran towards the danger, that many of us escaped and were offered shelter.

While the media wrote about how we were getting expensive homes after the fire, few reported that while we were still living in hotel rooms, we got on with our lives, going back to work, back to school and finishing university studies. We never wanted any of this to happen to us. Grenfell Tower was home; North Kensington was our community. Every single survivor, bereaved family and the community would give anything to change what they went through that night.

We talk a lot about change coming from Grenfell. One change I hope will come as our story unfolds is that people will get to see the community that we are. We’re typical Londoners, looking after our families and trying to get by. It’s important because we know that other communities are fighting the same battles we are, to be treated with dignity and respect. If we are to stop another Grenfell happening again and other communities being victimised in the way we have, these attitudes and misperceptions must be challenged.

Regardless of the colour of someone’s skin or religious beliefs, no one deserved to die that night and no one has the right to make light of something so tragic. We must work to eradicate such hatred in our society."

•Natasha Elcock is a survivor of the Grenfell Tower fire and chair of Grenfell United, the survivors and bereaved families group

SoleBizzz · 07/11/2018 00:34

Look at the brown faces at the Windows! Vile pos

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