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AIBU - How Much To Push/Encourage Kids With Talent Who Are Unmotivated

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treeogal · 05/11/2018 04:40

First I will start off my saying I really think all kids are different and certainly find all three of mine are unique and I don't think there's a one size fits all approach. One of my dc is SEN and I alter my expectations accordingly to let the child in question shine in their own unique way, one is naturally gifted but interests are only in school, and one who is truly naturally talented especially in the arts (music and fine arts), academia and swimming.

I am not a pushy parent so the latter dc has been exposed to the arts and enjoyed clubs and the odd session of art and music classes, but nothing too high pressured. However, now she's in Yr 9 I'm seeing that the friends whose parents pushed more, their girls who had similar level of skill to my dd are thriving and shining. One is playing in fee paying classical music concerts (!), one is participating in art exhibits in the capital (!!!) and one is going to be on a national level swim team. My dd was around the same skill level though 2/3 of those parents would say my dd had greater talent at the off set (not that that matters, it's kids!). The difference is their parents didn't accept my talented and enjoys it/it's fun approach, they got them to the best teachers/team/coaches/classes, put in many hours of training (the one who swims swims 20 hours/week), music practicing was done daily plus music camp, and art classes were never optional, and their kids are really shining. All great kids btw too, balanced, kind, and very proud of how hard they've worked on their goals. As they should be! But in chats with their parents it was clear taking a backstep wasn't going to happen for their kids, they were going to make the most of what they are good at.

My dd I will say doesn't really set a goal and go for it, she's happy to do basic crafts and read a book, and she is losing her natural talents, her music playing is pretty mediocre now unless you ask her to stop and do her best and then it's incredible the difference, her art is okay but she rarely puts the effort in to create the level of work she's fully capable of, and her swimming lags behind. Her art teacher says she hands in work as if she's a kid with no natural ability, when it's given back and requested she do better, she will sit and accomplish something that will blow the socks of the art department. But she never chooses to do that initially. Same can be said for swimming. She was scouted for several swim teams, she's so so good. One coach who saw her even said she could be Olympics bound, but if you saw her swim most days you wouldn't see that. She occasionally says stuff like "oh well, it's just for fun so it doesn't matter". But I kind of worry, for someone as talented as she was, she had offers to do Uni level workshops in Yr 6, maybe I should push and encourage more? Maybe it shouldn't just be a little bit of fun, but I should be saying she needs to cultivate those talents and put more effort in? She just doesn't seem to want to, though enjoys it once she does.

I worry about kid's mental health and anxiety levels, I never wanted to be a pushy Mum, I want my kids to be kind & sociable, able to set goals and enjoy life, to have a range of interests and pursue what they enjoy, see that there's more to life than being the best at something or competing with others. While I think this has given my dc a range of interests, permission to try things and change paths, I think for my child with many natural talents it's actually not allowed her to reach her potential at all. It's like giving her permission to be complacent?!

AIBU to think I should turn things up a notch even without her requesting it and get her back into programs/classes/situations where she has to work at goals, see her talents and once again have some sort of passion for these gifts she has? I think left to her own devices she'd never draw again and let me tell you this dc's drawings stop people in their tracks. Same with music, she progressed grades faster than any other student of her very accomplished teacher who was in awe of her ability and took me aside the first lesson to say my daughter's ear and natural abilities were rare. Her music teacher at school said the same for years. She just doesn't do it independently, not because she doesn't enjoy it, she always loves it once she does it, she just thinks it's not that important and just a bit of fun so why put the effort in. I don't want her to regret all this when it comes to her GCSE's and A levels. I don't want her to see what could have been and wish she'd applied herself more. Sometimes I see her looking at her friend's longingly and say things like she used to be able to do those things. My Mum says she's the least motivated talented person she's ever met and my cousins agree. My dd could easily study music or art at Uni, be on a county or national swim team. Do I let all this pass her by because she isn't naturally motivated? AIBU to say for the sake of her future she should take at least one of those talents to the next steps and pursue it with more seriousness and enthusiasm? AIBU to register her in programs (music, art, swimming or a combination of 1/2 of them) and be a bit more demanding? Should I insist she sets goals and works hard at one of them?

As an FYI my dd does want to go into an art related profession, art therapy for children with SEN, so definitely making use of her artistic talent would be to her advantage. Two years ago she had an artist tell her teachers she could get a place at Uni now (if she wasn't in year 7) with her work, now there's no way anyone would say that. I don't think she's depressed, she has a great group of friends, no big changes, she's healthy, sleeps well, eats well, smiles a lot, never skips lessons, is well liked at school by peers and teachers, but could spend her life reading a book or watching sunsets and be perfectly happy. She's a whole new kind of zen!

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Thisreallyisafarce · 05/11/2018 06:22

I think you should let her work out her own level of interest and motivation in these things. She isn't 6, she's 13 or 14, right?

StrumpersPlunkett · 05/11/2018 06:33

I feel that at this age you can sit with her and have this very conversation.

You are awesomely gifted. What can we do to help you shine? Would you enjoy an art retreat? Should we head to the park next week and capture the colour palette?

On one level you have instilled a sense of not needing to engage with these skills she has. But a very gentle change could help her to fall in love with one of them and gain a passion that can last a lifetime.

Good luck !

Twosmirkingducks · 05/11/2018 06:37

Its difficult. I sound a bit like your DD. Naturally talented at music but no motivation. I was basically lazy and wanted to sound like a virtuoso without practicing. My brother who went on to have a lifelong career in music always said I am more talented than he is. Two things prevented me from realising my potential I think were firstly not believing I was any good and secondly not practising properly and for long enough. I was happy to coast. My DF tried to make me practice but I just mucked about for the 45 mins he insisted on. I gave up at 17. I do regret it but don’t think pushing would have worked.

My DB wanted to give up at times but his teachers had ‘words’ and he persisted but I think his very different personality and basic want/need to progress kept him on track. I would encourage but without being harsh. If DD is in her teens I think losing motivation can be a normal phase but if she does want a career within music or art she needs to try get herself on track. I was certain by 16 that a career involving music wasn’t for me and I still believe that but your DD needs to work hard because she still does want that. Is there anyone/anything that might inspire her to get over this rocky patch?

Ski4130 · 05/11/2018 06:51

I think she’s at an age where you can have this conversation with her, and ask her if she’d like to use her talents differently (ie push herself to do things at the next level, or continue with them ‘just for fun’) Once the enjoyment is taken out of something, it’s hard to get it back, so tread carefully when telling her why you think she’s not using her talents to her full capability.

We have a similar situation, in that dc1 is an exceptional hockey player, and dc2 could have been at the same level, but didn’t enjoy hockey training and choose to play football instead. For a while we wondered if we should have pushed him a bit more, but actually he’s quite happy, and had clearly decided what he’d rather do. He sees how hard dc1 has to train and compete, and though dc1 thrives on it, dc2 is a different child, and I’m not sure the high pressure, long hours of training and twice weekly matches would have made him happy. At the end of the day we figured that it’s easier to get the dc to do the thongs they enjoy, rather than the things they feel forced to do.

DancingForTheDog · 05/11/2018 07:55

Could have, should have, would have. To be honest most people have the potential to achieve great things in one field or another, but the vast majority lack either the motivation or the opportunity. What's that joke? Q: "How do you get to Carniegie Hall", A: "Practise". The likes of Tiger Woods or Venus and Serena Williams had incredibly pushy parents who devoted their own lives to hot house their children to succeed, which is great, but high risk. You risk your child resenting and rejecting you at some point for not allowing them to live their own life. You also risk resenting and rejecting your own child for failing to live up to your expectations. Encourage and support was our approach, but when encouragement turns to pushing and nagging then you should ease off and let them take the initiative. Talent is great, but motivation is key.

treeogal · 05/11/2018 12:52

This is some really good advice, thank you. Sounds like many of you can relate. While I've not been a pushy parent, I do think I've encouraged, set up opportunities for extra classes and tried to share with my daughter people's feedback and asked if she'd like to do more, sharing the doors it could open. Perhaps the reality is, the kids who rise to the top have the parents that put that as a priority. Her swimming and music friends in particular have parents for whom not being the top isn't an option, very tiger Mum like. I'm not that way inclined but maybe having a good conversation with dd about the fact she has options she probably needs to make a decision about rather than just coast along, would help. She's very lucky to have three talents, it would be nice to see added motivation so that she has options.Thanks again.

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mumofamenagerie · 05/11/2018 13:53

Your daughter sounds like an absolute delight! I think the gentle touch is best from my personal experience - I was talented in a few different areas, but the ones my mum wanted me to pursue weren't what I actually enjoyed. I suffered through years of piano lessons when I had no interest in playing beyond 'can plonk around a bit for fun'. I barely practiced, and it was like pulling teeth and frustrating for everyone involved (me, my very angry mum, and the teacher). I wanted to do art and RE at school for GCSEs but was made to take music and Latin instead, neither of which I enjoyed. I now paint in my spare time, and did RE at A-level instead. Music and Latin were never touched again.

If your daughter already knows she wants to do art therapy for children with SEN then that's wonderful--but that will require counselling / psychology / teaching qualifications rather than art, music or swimming. If she's happiest with her head in the book and enjoying nature, I wouldn't push her to make decisions and commit to developing a 'talent' that she doesn't care that much about, although it might be good idea to have a general chat about these things in a low-pressure way. I'd only change that if stopping the outside activity would hamper her career in any way, or restrict her significantly later in life. In that case, being a bit pushier could help her. That doesn't seem likely, but if it changes, you could re-think.

My passions in life are studying for fun, looking after animals and being outside. I have a degree from Cambridge but that makes no difference to what I do with my life now. I don't regret not working harder at things I didn't enjoy that much and which are now irrelevant for my life Smile

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