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Dysfunctional family members unsure what to do

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nectarpear · 04/11/2018 19:22

I have concerns about how a relative is bringing up their 5 children – this is not meant to sound judgemental. Kids age range from 16 to 9, plus my relative has an adult daughter in her early twenties. Mum is a single parent early 40’s and I’m 15 years younger.

Mum and kids moved a few years ago to the city where I was studying – no other family members were here apart from me. This was to escape domestic violence from the father of the kids, arranged by social services. I suggested she and the kids come to the city I was so I could provide some support etc. I helped arrange support e.g. housing/schools etc when they arrived. I have continued to provide support and almost is the other parental figures, as quite frankly mum is not coping as she should.

For a backstory, mum’s domestic violence from dad has been longstanding and I’m sure has been her only relationship, I’m sure. She had their first child at 18 and went on to have four more children. He’s been in prison and I’m sure their relationship started as child sexual exploitation (he’s a few years older and they started seen each other from when she was about 13). Dad also smoked heroin / crack at times and created havoc on an estate they lived, accusing a neighbour to say she was raped by him. The eldest child two years ago accused the dad of raping them when they where 12/13. Dad was deported from the country about three years ago.

A few examples

  • Mum has a habit every few weeks / month going to the city we all originally came from to go to a parties. They are travelling back from our home city (2/3 hours away) now, as mum went out. Despite one child starting a new school tomorrow due to behaviour concerns and another one having a GCSE resit exam resit in the morning. They are not due back to around 9pm tonight. Mum also did a similar thing when GCSE exams were on
  • Children seem slightly behind developmentally (no SEN as far as I know) probably due to the fact kids do not really mix with others or go anywhere. It is very difficult and concerns me I cannot have a serious conversation with the older children about future education / career choices.
  • Mum works in a cosmetic retail store, but often at weekends – both Saturday and Sunday leaving the kids to do as they please, one of the children often stays at a friends house despite mum not having been round and issues in friends house.

Youngest child has a mattress on the floor and no proper bed. (Mum has said she’ll buy one once she decorates – on going for six months now). There is also no carpets in the children’s bedroom

  • I’ve suggested a family holiday to a caravan type place, offered to contribute but have been rebuffed (mum seems to think she’s a cut above this) despite the fact she has never taken them away but has managed to go on an adult weekender every year for the past four years.
  • Mum has spoken about the dad casually and messaged him despite what has happened, the council at a child protection meeting said if she makes contact / visits him they will not hesitate to take the kids into care
  • Mum is also in financial difficulty and expecting bailiffs around again over a parking fine that really could have been avoided. They often live week to week and have no money for food sometimes at the weekends. However, mum has started back up driving lessons
  • Mum and the kids to are secretive and often only find out about situations when it’s in crisis.

It seems to me mum is reliving her youth and putting her needs first and it appears she tolerates her kids and doesn’t particularly love them (I could be wrong). She is often in the kitchen watching youtube videos on her phone, whilst the kids are upstairs in the living room / bedrooms up to their own devices.

Mum’s mum and other relatives has been aware of the issues for years, but nothing seems to have changed and now its getting worse. Mum previously fled twice before but both times came back, I know this is quite common

My thing is, I feel I’m picking up the pieces for her poor / non parenting and mum and the oldest kids appear to be ungrateful for my support. I’m constantly asked for things including sweets, clothes etc, and most times they come and visit I’ll have to feed them, no money given etc

I have recently been diagnosed with a progressive and somewhat serious illness (mum and her mum are aware not the kids) and feel I can’t continue to pick up the pieces for much longer, I’m reducing hours at work and need to put myself first. Mum hasn’t asked how I am or popped in for a visit (we only live 10 minutes awa), in fact when she found out the same weekend she went to London and asked me to look after one of the kids and had to pay for her coach fare back.

Really unsure what to do here, I feel I can’t manage and do not want to be proxy parent when I’m not being listen to or appreciated. However, I think its wrong the environment the kids are being brought up in and it’s by no means the worse.

I’m seriously considering call early help / children’s services at the council to see if they can arrange any support although mum will probably refuse and pretend everything is rosy.

Unsure if I’ve done too much – they seem to be reliant on me when things go wrong.

Does anyone have any helpful advice or wisdom? Apologies for the length, didn't want to drip feed

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purplelila2 · 04/11/2018 19:43

You're making a lot of judgements here your post reads very very judgemental for example how can you say she doesn't love her kids???!!!
What a mean thing to say.

In what sense are they behind developmentally and how can you make that assessment (judgement).

Mum's are allowed a night out every now and again.

I also feed relatives when they come over and do find the kids ask for sweets and treats that in itself isn't odd .

MacosieAsunter · 04/11/2018 19:47

Really unsure what to do here, I feel I can’t manage and do not want to be proxy parent when I’m not being listen to or appreciated.

So step away, stop being so over involved in their lives.

SilentIsla · 04/11/2018 19:59

Well done @purplelila2. That has really helped the OP.Hmm

I have no advice for nectarpear but having read her post, it seems to me she had read the situation and had done a great deal to try to help those people.

SilentIsla · 04/11/2018 20:01

...has read

Wadewilson · 04/11/2018 20:06

What your issues are could quite easily be turned around though.

Going to parties - seeing friends and trying to pick herself up and have fun after leaving a long term abusive relationship

Children seem behind - How do you know there aren't sen? All children do different things at different times, it doesn't mean they're neglected if they are slightly slower at learning something than another child.

Not all children want further education, and most 16 year olds don't have a clue what career they want so that isn't particularly odd.

A woman who you admit is struggling financially is doing work to try and earn money. The children do as they please - common enough for older teenagers. Other children spend time with friends - not uncommon and would likely be with friends even if mum was at home.

Mattress on floor - you said the mum is skint, can she afford a bed frame? If she's waiting to decorate can she afford it?

No carpets - again, can she afford it? Is it wooden floors or just bare concrete?

Mum is allowed to see her friends, especially after likely not being able to see them much if in an abusive relationship.

Maybe she doesn't like caravans, that isn't a problem. Plus even if you contribute, she still might not be able to afford it. Food and entertainment isn't cheap.

Keeps in contact with her ex - its hard to escape an abusive relationship, especially if she was with him her whole life until now. She was also potentially (likely) groomed by him as a child, this will have had a major effect on her.

Driving lessons will give her independence, better self esteem, freedom, open up more job opportunities, all sorts.

I'm not surprised they are secretive when you seem to judge them so much.

Obviously only you know if this is likely or if it is more likely to be neglect. Report if you like, but be aware there are possible reasons for everything. If you don't want to help anymore back off a bit, and just be there if they ask

nectarpear · 04/11/2018 20:13

@purpleliar2 - didn't mean to come across as judgement trying to report the facts as I've see them. When I say developmentally behind, yes I'm no expert and again not meant as a criticism, but how I see it the kids do not have much stimulation around them. I'm a youth worker, so I work with a variety of kids. It's often difficult to have a conversation about anything remotely serious - I often get silence so tend not to bother. The problem is not her going out, but rather her going on a 3 hour coach journey leaving three kids in charge of a 16 year old with very little money.
@MacosieAsunter I would love to step away, but mum clearly needs some help in my opinion. I've got my own issues going on too.

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nectarpear · 04/11/2018 21:06

@WadeWilson - I understand your points of view, but in my opinion you have to put the children first, before attending to your own needs as a a parents.

Mum has always been secretive, even when she was a child. I think I'll step away even more now.

Does anyone have any practical suggestion to support mum?

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nectarpear · 05/11/2018 13:51

Bump - any more practical suggestions please to help relative in need of support.

Case example - I went round last night at 10pm to give one of the kids their homework left at my house. I was then asked to take the youngest to school today as mum is doing an 8am-6pm - I don't mind helping out but at 10pm the night before is what I don't like, so feel pressured into saying yes.

Again, I've also had to cover up for mum about another child not having all the correct uniform. Mum knew to buy this over a week ago and yes I get she has money issues but didn't ask for any assistance and instead went on long-distance journey 100 miles away so she could go on a heavy night out.

For reference, mum is actually my cousin and someone I used to strongly admire as a child. I'm only in my mid twenties, so I've only understood the issues fully in the last few years and it seems mum has gone through a decline in the last two years probably trauma playing out.

AIBU to expect other relatives e.g. my aunt - mum's mum to do a bit more? She'll just say her grandkids are broken but not challenge mum or address the negatives

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