It's not cider!!!

[Everanewbie]

Pear cider, berry cider etc. etc!!!!! Urgh. Cider, by definition is APPLES!!!!! Berry cider is like saying blackberry orange juice, or tomato pinapple juice. I'm sick of it!!!!!

Kopparberg mixed fruits cider is made with apples, and flavoured with berries:

Ingredients. Carbonated Water, Fermented Apples, Juice (Apple, Blackcurrant, Elderberry, Raspberry), Sugar, Acid (Citric Acid), Flavouring, Preservative (Potassium Sorbate), Antioxidant (E224/Sulphites).

I don't care what its made of or what they call it to be honest, and really couldn't get worked up about it like you seem to be.

Pear cider = Perry!

Pear cider = Perry = Babycham.

Of course it is cider, it is apple based with fruit flavouring, Have you never had a cider and black?

Just like all these new fruit flavoured wines, They are still wine, just with fruit flavouring

Did you know lambrini is perry? I spent many a teenage evening drinking that thinking it was wine!

Pear cider = Perry = Babycham Perry is about so much more than Babycham.

Littlekitty really??? That explains a lot of hangovers when I was younger

Berry cider is cider with berries in it. I didn’t realise that pear cider is actually Perry. Never heard the word perry before.

Just like all these new fruit flavoured wines, They are still wine, just with fruit flavouring So what about all the wines that are made from fruits other than grapes? Or vegetables, come to that? Elderberry, elderflower, blackcurrant, parsnip etc

Kopparberg is actually not recognised by CAMRA as an actual cider.

www.camra.org.uk/cider-not-recognised-as-being-real

According to the various on-line dictionaries, "cider" comes eventually from the Ancient Greek meaning, according to which source you go for, either "fermented fruit juice" or "strong liquor". "Perry" is derived from "pear", so is more specific.

Beer is made from grains, cider is made from fruit, mead is made from honey.

Ooooh cider and black! That brings back my university days. Can’t think why I gained weight at university !

HilaryBriss chill out and have a (real apple based) cider, this is intended as lighthearted. The Oxford English Dictionary defines as follows: An alcoholic drink made from fermented apple juice

Its nearly as bad as passing off some of these high street pastry monstrosities as Cornish pasties.

I thought this was going to be about the north American use of the word cider to mean apple juice - served to kids, obviously unfermented.

Maybe you should have put lighthearted in your OP then Ever. I am perfectly chilled, no need for a cider (or other fruit based alcoholic beverage) thanks.

Hardly think a rant about cider needs a light-hearted warning.

Just to blow all your minds - Prosecco is essentially GRAPE BEER!!

Thats why it's so cheap.

Is it the difference between being made from crushed apples and nothing else other than yeast, and being made from fermented apple and other juice?

I too get annoyed with things being passed off as something they're not. Not so long ago I bought a kiwi and lime innocent smoothie. It was nice, but didn't taste obviously kiwi or limey. The amount of kiwi and lime in it was hardly anything at all (about 5%) and most of it was apples, bananas and grapes .

Sitranced i had a look at that CAMRA link. Interesting how they go beyond my feeling that it needs to be made from apples, to basically being made in a traditional manner. Maybe a traffic light system is needed:
Green - Traditionally made as per CAMRA definition
Amber - Cider, as in made from apples but mass produced stuff
Red - Anything involving fruits of the forest etc.

YANBU
But in the spirit of the light-hearted thread, far more annoying is when people call it -
KoppeNburg.
Loads of people ask me for a KoppeNburg and apparently I'd be unreasonable to say we don't stock KoppeNburg but we stock Kopparberg.
Same with Birra Morretti
It is not called Beer-ia Morrietti.

No idea why I find it so irritating, fully agree I'm BU.

Kopparberg is an alcopop.

Real cider, which isn't that easy to find in pubs, is something completely different. The taste is more complex and interesting. It also gets you drunk much more quickly!

It's a real bugbear of mine that when you go to a pub or music venue and want a nice cider you invariably have to put up with Magners or some other apple juice with sugar and flavourings and whatnot.

In France, it must be apples only!