to think no one could support transing children after reading this

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Putting this in AIBU instead of feminism as it's a response to Butterfly, the mainstream ITV drama that seems to be supporting the idea that puberty blockers are safe / a good idea.

But, puberty blockers are far from safe. That we're giving them to kids is a massive scandal that will explode soon enough.

I challenge anyone to read this and explain why giving kids these drugs instead of counselling is a good idea.

www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-safe/

Sorry to de-rail the thread slightly there!

It’s great that she’s doing so well. I get it - my son was on a drug from around 2 weeks old that I’d never heard of and barely researched apart from to find out that it was literally the only option and without it he would never leave hospital. We do what we have to do.

Is cool shots

I took gnrha for endometriosis (triptorelin/ decapeptyl). It has had a profound impact on my memory and my ability to process information.
It didn’t impact my mood but I know of many who really struggled.
I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone - especially not children.

op I did say I realised the main point was about the choices being made for her. I'll save my observations about the linkup between trans and over-sexuality for another thread. I dare, btw, because it exists, and someone has to point it out.

BlatheringWuther apologies, I see I read your post wrong.

I thought you were saying not to worry about teens not having sexual function through blockers was over sexualising them, rather than a heath concern.

But if you're talking more generally about trans and over sexualising teens then absolutely I agree with you.

And IMO that's because the trans movement is currently being driven by male fetishists. It's all about kink.

But - I maintain worrying about kids losing the chance of a functional sex life as adults isn't about kink.

It’s the exact opposite message that the Disorders of Sexual Development (formerly Intersex) community are giving surgeons, endocrinologists. Namely, leave genitals alone as children, operating on them so they “look right” impairs sexual pleasure. As a group they’re saying that they’ll make their own decisions as adolescents and adults.

Fascinating and terrifying article, thank you OP.

Can I go OT just a little please? While catching up with this thread I had delivered a very nice grey hoodie from Standing With Women, brand new on the website two days ago, with the dictionary definition of 'woman' on it. I can report from trying it on just now that it's really snuggly and comfortable and looks very well made. £30 each. Christmas is coming...

Back on topic now. Thank you.

Jazz is a child still - she’s not ‘the enemy’ and there’s no need to misgender her. She is a she. She’s not a he/they - the posters using those words are being very cruel.

Jazz is not the enemy, no. Jazz is a young man who's been tragically let down by the adults around him.

Encouraging him down a path that leads to a lifetime of medication, surgeries, possibly damaging his brain & intellect and denying him the chance to ever have a functional sex life or children - now that's cruel.

Correctly identifying his sex, less so. The emperor has no clothes on and the more we pussy foot around this, the more children like Jazz will have their futures ruined by adults - some well-meaning, others less so.

I expect Jazz is probably happy right now. And Jazz may be a special case - perhaps all the adoring fans and money will allow him to paper over what he's missing out on.

But for kids like Jazz who don't have their own reality TV show, and money to fund surgeries - life looks pretty bleak as an asexual life long patient IMO. The least of their worries are someone calling them he. They need support to come to terms with being he - not pandering to this dangerous cult, which is what it is. People will look back in horror at what we did to kids in this generation.

Nice hoody Figural!

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Jazz is a child still - she’s not ‘the enemy’ and there’s no need to misgender her. She is a she. She’s not a he/they - the posters using those words are being very cruel.

No. They are not. They are simply telling the truth.

The whole thing is extremely disturbing. It's one thing to use risky drugs to delay the onset of precocious puberty, but to prevent puberty altogether? There are physical changes in puberty that then won't happen. And not just the body; a huge amount of changes happen in the brain.' At the very least, that's the reason why juveniles are dealt with in the judicial system in a different way from adults.

So, you have someone who hasn't gone through the maturation that occurs during puberty. Someone with the body and the mind that is (possibly?) forever juvenile. Who could possibly benefit from that?

Jazz is a child still - yes, quite possibly, that at the age of 18, Jazz is still a child.

Here's another article from the same source linked to in the original post. This one analyses why the numbers for suicides people pushing puberty blockers quote, can't be relied on.

I was disturbed when I read an interview with Anna Friel where she said, and the BBC website makes clear, that Mermaids is their go-to source for help and information when making the programme.

Are the cash strapped NHS funding this?

Not for this, no. Generally it’s a private prescription, or bought off the internet. That alone should tell you how dodgy it is, but people are blinded by the fake suicide stats.

Different story in the US, but if you’re paying cash and prepared to shop around you can find a doctor willing to prescribe practically anything you want over there (well-known example being Michael Jackson’s doctor - there is no way any NHS doctor would prescribe propofol outside of an anaesthetic room).

GNRH analogues do have plenty of legitimate uses - I prescribe them fairly often as ovarian protection for patients who need cyclophosphamide (a strong immunosuppressant that causes infertility). The goserelin shuts down the ovaries, causing instant (and very unpleasant) menopause but hopefully protecting the ovaries from permanent damage.

In adult women, the ovaries (hopefully) start up again once the goserelin wears off (usually about a year after it was given). Not sure about children who have missed puberty altogether.

The trans thing seems like a reaction to intense gender stereotyping , a fear of women's rights and an advancement in medicine which makes everyone feel that if scientists can do something, they should.

I think if adults want gender reassignment they should after intense counselling....but not kids...no way.

I'm all for scrapping this girls like pink princesses/ boys like cars and violence bullshit...perhaps things would be less weird if stereotypes were challenged.

Flynnshine. A friend of my dd's had the exact same problem at the same age in fact, so I've been watching out for information about the effects of puberty blockers. They still have the risky side-effects but the treatment of precocious puberty means that the child is then allowed to go through the appropiate puberty for their sex at the right time. Whereas when they are used on trans children the child is never allowed to go through puberty