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Hundreds of tower blocks across UK at risk of collapse

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HelenaDove · 22/10/2018 16:14

Tower blocks across the UK have a systemic structural flaw that puts them at risk of collapse housing experts have said.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tower-blocks-collapse-risk-grenfell-safety-government-a8592436.html

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 22/10/2018 16:30

Sadly, as you probably know Helena, none of that is news. It has all been known for decades, some blocks had those gaps within months of them being built, amongst other ludicrous building issues.

I remember my aunt being terrified of the way the walls in her flat moved, in the early 70s. The builder / council were no help! The whole complex - it was huge - was pulled down, probably about 10 - 15 years after it was built!

HelenaDove · 22/10/2018 16:39

Your aunt must have been bloody worried.

And where are the tenants in these blocks going to move to Where are they all going to go.

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HelenaDove · 23/10/2018 00:17

There is also the worry that they will be rehoused miles away and not able to come back which means uprooting themselves from their jobs and childrens education.

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WelcomeToGreenvale · 23/10/2018 00:20

Not surprised, the block I rented a flat in when I was at uni had a cupboard in the bathroom that was just a big rotten hole down the middle of the building. Water pouring down from other people's plumbing.

Southchurch Court in Clifton, Nottingham. Not a deathtrap, though not sure about the cladding, but incredibly shoddily built.

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jennymor123 · 25/10/2018 09:27

It's actually much worse than people realise. I attended a meeting a few months ago, which Danielle Gregory spoke at (about Ledbury Estate, which is a large panel tower, literally falling apart). Most of the speakers were talking about urban cleansing: where you have a well-established London community living in council houses; the council move them out to undertake 'renovations' then sell it to developers, leaving the former residents unable to return unless they can pay half a million or so for their previous home.

dapplegrey · 25/10/2018 09:38

When tower blocks were built in the 1960s & 70s some people did speak out against them but objectors were silenced by being told ‘you just want to keep people in slums, why shouldn’t families have decent housing’ etc etc.
Tower blocks are still being built - there are huge ones going up in Lots Road in London - while older ones crumble.
Helena have you read ‘Utopia on Trial’ by Alice Coleman?

HelenaDove · 25/10/2018 23:04

@jennymoor123 Yep There is a real lack of trust between tenants and HAs as a result of this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3002781-Post-Grenfell-now-Ledbury-Towers-to-be-evacuated-due-to-gas-risk-which-has-been-present-for-decades

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2901354-Housing-associations-Are-you-having-problems

HelenaDove Wed 26-Sep-18 23:36:47

"The councils trying to use Grenfell as an excuse to clear estates
Becka Hudson 20 September 2018

Since a fire killed 72 people in London's Grenfell Tower, councils have been using safety concerns to try to move people out of housing estates.

Broadwater Farm Estate. By Iridescenti - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0.

It seemed, at least for a time after the Grenfell fire, that social housing was atop the political agenda. Housing was centred at party conferences, discussed in reams of media, and organisations from across the political spectrum issued announcements, green papers, and reports on the topic. Many argued that Grenfell must signal a turning point in how the UK houses people. Amidst this discussion, we were introduced to the fire’s likely causes. There were those named individuals, from councillors to contractors, and then there were its systemic roots. A deeply embedded ‘culture’ of neglect and dispossession: the ignoring of tenants, the arbitrary revocation of crucial safety law, and widespread social cleansing of blocks, estates and entire neighbourhoods under the guise of ‘regeneration’.

Ten days after the fire and one borough across, late one Friday night, thousands of estate residents were rushed from their homes into makeshift relief shelters. Safety checks by Camden council, issued in the aftermath of Grenfell, had found the Chalcots estate covered in similar flammable cladding. The sudden evacuation was widely criticised. Residents complained about the councils’ aggressive approach, their lack of communication and rehousing options and, even as late as March this year, their disregard for residents as revelations of further safety problems emerged. Residents’ confrontations with council leader Georgia Gould went viral. One featured a woman countering Gould’s assertion that safety was the council’s priority, pointing out “for this long now you’ve allowed them to live in this property that’s been dangerous – how?”. Back up in Chalcots’ towers, around 200 people refused to leave. For them, the chaos and lack of support in leaving posing a greater threat than staying put. As one such occupier told a journalist “It [seeing Grenfell] does make us want to leave, But [...] there’s nowhere to go, and they’re not looking to move us out anywhere convenient.”

Despite the media, the promises and the reports, these catch-22s persist in estates across the country. For one, many thousands of people continue to live in buildings coated in flammable cladding. Though the prime minister finally committed to funding the removal of unsafe cladding from social blocks this May, the process is partial, and slow. And when such insulation is removed, residents are presented with a new safety battle. As Ruth from the Safe Cladding and Insulation Now (SCIN) campaign explains: “One of the most widespread safety risks is lack of insulation, in a country where thousands die every winter because they can't afford to heat their homes. [...]” She argues that unless the cladding crisis is acted on soon, “given the current standards of building regulations and enforcement, we are likely to see basically sound old estates demolished and replaced with "modern" ones where residents are at serious risk from both cold, and overheating.”

Elsewhere, local authorities are discovering that decades of neglecting and underfunding council homes present safety concerns beyond fire. In Tottenham’s Broadwater Farm estate, two blocks were revealed to be structurally unsound following ‘post-Grenfell’ safety checks. The blocks were vulnerable to collapse if there were an explosion or vehicle impact. Haringey Council’s response, too, has been speedy evacuation – this time in order to demolish both blocks. 200 households are being told they must permanently leave their homes before October, when their supplier intends to switch off gas supply. Questions from residents and campaigners have arisen about the council’s intentions, and their ability, to afford adequate rehousing whilst demolition takes place and to guarantee any new towers would be available for all the same residents, at the same rent.

What faces residents of demolished social housing? Experiences from other demolitions are instructive: the land usually sold to a private developer, and the number of social housing units built in their place slashed. Council tenants are often forced to leave their communities, enter the private rental sector or move into pricey, often inadequate and invariably insecure temporary accommodation as they await another council home that may never come. Jacob, a resident of one of the towers facing demolition and a member of its Residents Association explains: ‘Council tenants get lied to all the time. I believe that strengthening the blocks [to prevent collapse], is expensive but it would be cheaper [than demolition]. Because it’s been deliberately neglected for so long, there isn’t a groundswell of residents asking for the council to save ‘our lovely block’. But as people move people into small and temporary flats, I don’t think they’ll be happy.”

These impossible binds in which council tenants are caught, be they around heating costs or safety concerns, are not inevitable. Even as government, and the developers and contractors with which they work, continue to do next to nothing to address the housing crisis, they patently could. One recent breakthrough was the Mayor of London’s introduction of a requirement for resident ballots to be taken on estates facing regeneration, official guidance on which was released this summer. The move was a step forward in demonstrating avenues for genuine consultation and accountability, though it is has key loopholes, including one exemption for demolitions needed for ‘safety reasons’. At Broadwater Farm, it’s the timing of any such ballot that matters.

“They say they will have a ballot or consultation after everyone is moved out”, Jacob counters, “but residents will have already moved by then, and are likely to be out of the block for two years, probably even longer.” The process indeed works as a disincentive to residents interested in refurbishment as opposed to demolition. “If there is a ballot and residents vote for refurbishment, we won’t be entitled to the £6,000 payment we would if it were demolished.”. After the considerable costs of moving home, £6,000 is not a small sum to refuse. Jacob’s message to local authorities? “Don’t use safety concerns to displace residents”.

It is not a problem exclusive to Tottenham. Across the river in Peckham, the Ledbury Estate was condemned as unsafe last year. Southwark council’s response? Demolition. For Danielle, from the estate’s Action Group, this isn’t good enough. “We had been raising these safety concerns for years and they have to be taken seriously. But the job to convince everyone they’re doing the right thing by decanting us is the council’s responsibility”. It is difficult for residents to read Southwark council’s actions as motivated by concern for safety. Just last month it was revealed they claimed to have carried out post-Grenfell risk assessments on 174 Southwark blocks; in fact they had checked just eight. On the ballot question, for Southwark, the writing is on the wall. “The results from our consultation have just come through”, Danielle tells me “The majority of people want the towers saved – it is now a question of money. For the council, it should be a case of listening and taking seriously what residents want. They should have a say in what happens next.”

The disregard for residents that built towards the deadliest fire in living memory now persists even when councils aim, or claim, to be addressing safety issues. Residents are routinely ignored on safety and, when councils act, are being coerced into impossible decisions. Thousands face potentially lethal fire, deadly cold, structural collapse – or displacement and entirely insecure housing options. As Danielle says of Southwark’s response to Ledbury, ‘If this continues then people will not trust to raise safety concerns, they’ll be pushed away from wanting to make them.’ Some journalists who covered the Chalcots estate last year interviewed residents refusing to leave with an air of bemusement: why would anyone stay in a categorically dangerous home? If councils don’t listen to tenants and do their utmost to act in the interests of both their safety and their housing security, we are likely to see more of the same"

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HelenaDove · 25/10/2018 23:07

@dapplegrey No i havent but am currently waiting on a delivery of a copy of Municipal Dreams The Rise and Fall of Council Housing by John Boughton.

I will check out your suggestion though...................Thanks

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TooManyPaws · 25/10/2018 23:20

My council brought down three towers not far from me a few years ago. Those who could not be housed elsewhere temporarily were all moved into one tower, the other two were brought down, the land cleared, housing association houses built on the site, people moved from the tower into the new houses, the final tower down, the rest of the housing built, and everyone who wished to remain in the area rehoused on the same site as their previous tower homes. Of course, the area wasn't posh or sought after so no need to "cleanse" it of poor. I have noticed that a lot of work is being done on all our towers but we're not in an expensive area, but a formerly industrial area within capital commuting range.

HelenaDove · 26/10/2018 16:00

www.memorabletv.com/episodes/the-fires-that-foretold-grenfell-airs-tues-30-oct-on-bbc-two/

This 60-minute documentary is the dramatic, haunting story of five fires that foretold the Grenfell disaster, told through the eyes of those directly involved.

This vivid and moving film for BBC Two collates the memories of survivors, the bereaved, fire-fighters, safety experts, and the politicians linked to five intensely fierce fire disasters that preceded Grenfell. This telling collection of interviews and archive footage shows the clear warnings that existed and could have predicted a Grenfell-type inferno happening in Britain.

The programme focuses on three factors: the application of flammable material and cladding to buildings, the ‘Stay Put’ advice given by fire services, the absence of sprinklers – and how they contributed to each of the previous five blazes, sometimes with fatal consequences.

Made over the course of 12 months, the film tells the story of the legislative history of building regulations from 1973 to the present day through five fires. It explores the causes, subsequent investigations and the recommendations that were sent to successive UK governments, ultimately posing the question – if lessons had been learned as a result of tragic repetition of errors over the decades, could Grenfell have been avoided?

The five fires revisited include: Summerland disaster, Douglas, Isle of Man (1973); Knowsley Heights fire, Liverpool (1991); Garnock Court fire, Irvine, N Ayrshire (1999); Harrow Court fire, Stevenage, Herts (2005); and Lakanal House, London (2009).

The documentary is filmed, produced and directed by Jamie Roberts (The Jihadis Next Door, War Child and Manchester: The Night Of The Bomb), with Senior Producer Owen Phillips (Panorama: Fake Sheikh Exposed and Manchester: The Night Of The Bomb) and Executive Produced by five-time Bafta Award-winner Dan Reed (The Paedophile Hunter, 3 Days Of Terror) for Amos Pictures.

Airdate: Tuesday 30 October 2018 from 9.00pm-10.00pm on BBC TWO

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