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To think it's not just down to the government to change this?

16 replies

Wickerwillow · 16/10/2018 19:58

I’ve seen a lot of panic on the threads over the past few weeks about the state of the planet. The pending irreversibility of climate change and the discussions sparked by the documentary “Drowning in Plastic” in particular. What I cannot fathom is how often I see a defeatist response along the lines of until our government decides to do something about this, there’s nothing we can do but watch as things get steadily, irrevocably, worse.

AIBU to think what an utterly, utterly pathetic attitude to have? Are we not capable of individual action? Do we really need our GOVERNMENT to tell us to stop using so much plastic? To be mindful of our use of non-renewable fuels? Really?

Some things are out of our control. The general public cannot cap carbon emissions on large automotive companies or set targets for big industry brands to minimise waste and recycle. We CAN force ourselves to think twice before we buy something wrapped in plastic. We can choose to put loose apples in a paper bag at the supermarket and not buy the prepacked apples shrouded in plastic and polystyrene. We can make a pasta salad at home and bring it in a lunch box rather than buying a plastic pasta pot every day in a meal deal. We can choose to eat less meat, one of the worst industries for climate change contribution there is! We can use a beautifully scented soap rather than plastic tubes of shower gel and start buying long lasting, quality items of clothing rather than cheap, disposable clothes we wear once or twice and condemn to the bin. Skip the straw and drink from the glass. Take the bus or train to town at the weekend when we’re not in a rush. Be that little bit more careful with our recycling (it only takes a handful of small non-recyclable items to sneak into a big batch of recycling before the factory will deem it not worth sorting and simply bung the whole thing in landfill, unsorted).

We can start voting for change with our hard earned money by making ethical choices about the materials we buy or how the products we need are packaged and show the big brands that there is a real desire for change and a thriving market made up of people who desperately want to be given better options. If we committed to making consistently "good" choices...wow. What an incredible impact that would make.

None of the above is radical. But it is desperately, desperately urgent. What we are doing to this beautiful planet is nothing short of disgusting and if we want to be seen as any better than parasites we really need to start taking responsibility for the way we choose to live. As collective individuals we hold far more power than the government could ever do and we are completely capable of real, measurable change.

I can't be the only person eager to see individuals take more control of the issue?

OP posts:
Prawnofthepatriarchy · 16/10/2018 20:11

One of my DBs is extremely knowledgeable and passionate about climate change and the environment generally. He says that if every person in the UK did everything in our power it would make zero difference while the Americans continue to guzzle resources and waste energy like there's no tomorrow (which may well be true for our species).

Never mind what the individual can do - as a nation we're too small to make much of a difference. I do everything I can but I don't fool myself it's going to make more than an atom of difference.

WallisFrizz · 16/10/2018 20:15

I absolutely agree the individuals should make take small steps to improve climate change but realistically it is the govt imposing sanctions on big business re packaging etc that will make the most difference.

rosamacrose · 16/10/2018 20:16

Prawn
What would you suggest?
Nothing?
Wait for the end?

rosamacrose · 16/10/2018 20:21

We can all make changes.
Use a renewable energy supplier.
More people that switch, more the change. The govt has stats about that and see where their votes lie.
Recycle.
Email your supermarket. Ask for action
Do your bit, it is noticed

NameChanger22 · 16/10/2018 20:23

One person won't make a difference, but one person talking about the positive changes they've made with everyone they know can encourage others and cause a ripple effect. That's what I hope anyway.

Government and big business should be doing much, much more.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 16/10/2018 20:27

I do everything I can, rosamacrose. I don't even run a car. But if I knew how to get the US government to do anything that would really make a difference.

RedneckStumpy · 16/10/2018 20:27

Prawnofthepatriarchy

Waving from the other side of the Atlantic.

Us Americans are very switched on about climate change, recycling and reducing carbon emissions.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/10/2018 20:30

I'm trying to cut down on the amount of plastic I use but I'm really struggling.

I wear daily disposable contact lenses and know it's possible to recycle the blister packs but no optician does it here. I could buy a box myself but I can't afford the £80.

I thought about changing from liquid soap to bars of soap then I realised even that has plastic - I got a new bar out of the plastic packaging this morning.

I'm happy to do what I can but manufacturers need to step up and make it easier.

Beautifulblue · 16/10/2018 20:31

I do what I can, the little things we all know about. Recycle properly etc... but for example my daughter likes pink lady apples (so do I as it goes) tonight at the supermarket there were none loose, just 4 in a carrier with plastic wrapping! So annoying.. if they didn't use the packaging people would just buy apples loose! So the big companies can make a big difference & probably save themselves some money in the process. We have a bunch of student houses down the road & they often have pizza boxes hanging out their normal bins & I imagine loads of other recyclables - pet peeve! Not enough people give a shit which is really, really sad.

ForalltheSaints · 16/10/2018 20:33

A small step has been the plastic bag levy. Governments can make a difference, and indeed can do so as purchasers of a large amount of goods (schools, NHS, to name two examples).

kayakingmum · 16/10/2018 20:34

The reality is most people don't care enough/think it makes a big enough difference to change their behaviour. Governments need to prioritise the environment.

We've ended up with Brexit because people voted for UKIP. If people vote for the Green party Labour and the Conservatives will realise how important green issues are to the people and hopefully have green policies accordingly - which we desperately need.

Beautifulblue · 16/10/2018 20:41

Saying that I'm in an area where Green Party are in, (Brighton, South East) & as much as I agree with a lot of what they do they have put bus lanes every where & the traffic in Brighton now is just shit. Can't imagine cars sitting stationary for longer than ever before with their engines running is very green! Confused & an all day bus ticket is a fiver, single is £2.60 so not exactly cheap! Can see why they done it to encourage using public transport but I don't think it's worked, just as many cars - more traffic.

umpteennamechanges · 16/10/2018 20:43

I've made some small changes lately...

  • Soap instead of shower gel (it lasts much longer and is much cheaper)
  • Reusable coffee cup
  • We are swapping to using our local grocer for fruit and veg and using reusable produce bags
  • We are changing to having cat food in tins rather than pouches

Just across these little changes I've worked out it's saving (across our lives) roughly:

  • 528 plastic shower gel bottles
  • 14,000 pieces of plastic packaging on fruit/veg
  • 130,000 plastic cat food pouches (for 65,000 recyclable tins)
  • 15,000 coffee cups

If you piled all that up somewhere and thought about the fact it won't break down for 500 years or more, that's a lot of waste just some tiny changes are avoiding...

Snugglepiggy · 16/10/2018 20:55

Great post and couldn't agree more OP.It is so frustrating to feel so powerless and yet so much want to make a difference.Like you I want to yell our come on everyone let's all try harder and collectively make a difference.We simply can't continue consuming and producing so much waste.Only today I went into the bakers and asked for a teacake.The assistant grabbed a plastic bag and I said please no bag.She looked at me as if I was a freak.No bag ?No plastic bag thank you.Another assistant then said would you like a paper bag instead.But so much could change if urgent action was taken eg ban balloon releases.Paper bags only in shops.Stop putting plastic crap on all children's magazines to name a few .
I'm heartened by some of the measures I hear being taken by individuals,but equally disheartened by the blank look on some faces if you say how worrying the situation is and how little they seem to care.

MIdgebabe · 16/10/2018 20:56

To halt climate change, focus on carbon emissions.

Focus on your big hits, like flights. We fly once every few years. Get the bus or train sometimes. Walk anyth8ng less than a mile. We have failed to reduce our mileage, but never travel above about 60mph. Turn down the heating. Think about your food, less beef and dairy. We have veggie meals a few times a week. Avoid things flown into the uk...many out of season veggies. Buy less.

Don’t object to local wind and solar farms.

The more people act, the more confident the government can be in taking action.

America is a problem. China could have been, but have taken action so it’s not over yet.

Snugglepiggy · 16/10/2018 21:41

OP.Thanks to the strength of your post it's given me the resolve to do more.More lobbying the shops /supermarkets I use.Shopping locally,shopping seasonally.Actually taking off some of the superfluous packaging and handing back whilst in store.Marks and Spencer in particular. Doing much more to reduce unnecessary consumption as a household.DH has started using a safety razor and we love the shampoo bars we now buy.No more hand soap pumps.No bin bags just wash out the bin.Canned pet food.No more pouches.And I'm going to contact our MP and keep contacting as many companies and businesses as I can .The more we all shout the more they will be forced to listen.

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