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Esther McVey’s response to Frank Field

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curious2 · 15/10/2018 20:57

Frank Field asks her to come and meet the women in his constituency who have been forced into prostition due to Universal Credit and the concurrent loss to their income.

She then tells him to let these women know about work coaches and the various charities and organisations that can help them.

Not only that - he should point them in the direction of all the new jobs which are now on offer.

Angry

Completely bypassing the fact that UC is forcing already working people into worse poverty, and that people don’t need work coaches, they need better paying jobs and cheaper housing. Failing that, they need their monthly support not to be slashed.

Angry

Additionally, why is the government abdicating its responsibility to charities - laudable as they are.

What a soulless, horrible woman.

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Orangeblossom1976 · 16/10/2018 09:43

I think this will come back to haunt them. When is the next election? 2021? and they are now planning to mainly start the big migration in Nov 2020...good timing.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/16/universal-credit-tories-ballot-box-benefits-government

Orangeblossom1976 · 16/10/2018 09:44

Is there no end to the groups of people they seem to wish to alienate? What with the Dementia tax, disability benefits changes, hard Brexit and now this...

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 16/10/2018 09:57

I don't think It matters what they do orange. They still be voted back in, as I've already alluded to. Sadly the Britain voters seem to love them.
Granted there's not much competition as I think most of the Labour are Tory lites, so even they love them.
Even Ed Milliband said He wasn't going to reverse UC so I suppose. Its better the devil you know

Orangeblossom1976 · 16/10/2018 10:26

Well, we will see after the mess of Brexit and UC rollout how things are looking, maybe that will change. Especially when you think about it they are trying to woo the working poor who mainly voted for Brexit, which is the main groups these things are going to hit the hardest.

LilMy33 · 16/10/2018 10:28

I’d simply love to know where all these jobs are in FF’s constituency. There doesn’t seem to be a massive amount. Funding has been cut to local organisations including women’s refuge, food bank use and homelessness is through the roof and businesses are going under/shop units are closing (meaning even less jobs) at an alarming rate.

I know it’s the same all over the country but fuck me it gives me the rage seeing an area struggle that much while some stupid ignorant moron like EM insists there isn’t a problem that can’t be solved easily enough.

Neshoma · 16/10/2018 10:30

Labour have the perfect opportunity to find a new leader, who has some sensible policies.............. but no all they want to do is spend £2 billion insulating everys home.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 16/10/2018 10:33

Exactly Lil. Its all very well the idiot piping up "Get a job" but. The jobs and not just any job one that pays a fair days pay for a fair days work have to be there.

Bombardier25966 · 16/10/2018 10:43

Labour have the perfect opportunity to find a new leader, who has some sensible policies.............. but no all they want to do is spend £2 billion insulating everys home.

You do realise that the latter is existing policy? The Eco Scheme has been running since 2013, when the Tories were in power. Awkward!

Labour's policy on UC has been to freeze the roll out until it is fully reviewed and more workable measures are put into place (including reintroducing the premiums the Tories have removed), but is now moving towards scrapping it altogether and returning to the legacy benefits. Of course, that will take a long time to implement, there's no overnight solution to this shit storm but it is an absolute priority.

The notion of one combined payment rather than the numerous separate benefits is a good one, done properly it reduces costs and provides more certainty for the claimant. How that notion turned into one that reduced payments, massively increased administration costs and left people so desperate that they have to turn to prostitution is beyond me. Almost like the authors of the policy (and them that continue to champion it) actually want to harm people.

howabout · 16/10/2018 11:06

BBC reporting further delay to roll out. Implicit acceptance by even EMcV and co that it is not right. Doesn't solve the problems for those already on the system though.

DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 11:17

Need to be careful talking about Ester McVey. She seems a tad sensitive

universalcreditsuffer.com/2018/10/13/labour-writes-to-esther-mcvey-demanding-gagging-clauses-be-removed-immediately/

Need to make sure that the only thing that makes people think she's vile is her policies, not personal opinion ....

DGRossetti · 16/10/2018 11:27

As a comment on this tweet says: not a fan, but when he gets it right, he gets it right ...

Esther McVey’s response to Frank Field
sue51 · 16/10/2018 11:31

Her response was callous beyond belief.

HelenaDove · 16/10/2018 16:09

@Neshoma Kevin Bridges on working for self esteem and self respect.

www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kevin+bridges+on+self+respect&view=detail&mid=E3A01F0ACDCBB187ABB7E3A01F0ACDCBB187ABB7&FORM=VIRE

HelenaDove · 16/10/2018 16:25

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HelenaDove Tue 16-Oct-18 16:21:37

"Angela Murphy, executive director of Tomorrow’s Women Wirral, which is committed to reducing female imprisonment and supports more than 6,000 women, said Field visited the centre a few weeks ago.

During the visit, she spoke to him about concerns from women she met during an outreach project with Merseyside police.

“There was a couple of women who spoke about it. One said she hadn’t been out sex working for a long but because of Universal Credit she felt she had no choice and had to go out [to do it] again.

“I hear what Esther McVey is saying about the job coaches but we are talking about women who are nowhere near job ready so these are people who are literally living hand to mouth, it’s that type of survival.”

She said she is hopeful the Field’s question will make a difference.

“Whether you love him or hate him, Frank Field has a voice and he makes his voice known and you know when things affect his constituency, he does speak up about it so it was good that he has taken it forward,” she said"

themachinestops · 16/10/2018 18:26

The thing is, given the right support , I would have been job-ready. Given there were jobs with hours to fit around childcare responsibilities.

The VERY ATTITUDE of Esther McVey towards women in poverty who have NO viable choice but to go out in the cold, at 12 times the risk of homicide and at risk of physical and indeed incalcuable mental harm, is what makes these women feel like they are not worth more. It's as easy as just picking from one of these 830,000 jobs says Esther!!

I'll tell you what it is - It is thinly-veiled victim-blaming, as if these women want to go out prostituting, not because of UC and the cruel cuts made to it since 2015, but because of some kind of personal moral failing. Does she not think that women have already, just maybe, thought about 'normal' jobs and been unable to take them, due to ALREADY WORKING BUT IN IN-WORK POVERTY, which she fails to mention once in the whole debate, or due to childcare.

600,000 Single Parents (predominately women) who are WORKING, will lose more than £2400 a year just die to being on UC, transitional protection only lasts until a change of circumstances happens, anyone paid 4 weekly or 2 weekly or weekly will lose hundreds a year due to the design, sanctions are much harsher, waits for first payment are 5 weeks and the loan you must take out to live for the weeks are repayable and deducted, childcare is not easily reimbursed, and any debts you have are taken at 40% personal award which means some have less than £37 a week to live in after rent.

I am astonished at how she completely dismissed these women's experiences. Live in parliament. And is seemingly getting away with it. I am not well read on feminism, but surely this is a new low??!!

HelenaDove · 16/10/2018 18:32

Shes a fucking misogynist.

themachinestops · 16/10/2018 19:23

I work full time. As the Conservatives apparently want. In private rented accommodation (cannot afford two months rent and deposit to move, and anyway already have the cheapest rent I can find).

Due to working full time, I barely see my Children and have to pay upfront myself for childcare every month and they quibble about refunding the 85% they advertise to 'get us back into work'. It's a fight to have childcare reimbursed every month and they still owe me August's childcare.

I will still lose the £2400 a year that was talked about on new exactly. I will also lose £600 a year just because I am paid 4 weekly rather than monthly (assessment period "problems" McVey has already admitted). I am also losing £127 every month due to old debts, and even more being deducted every month from what's left of my UC payment, because I have debt from years ago, and MORE being taken before I see it because of the 5 week wait loan. At least I cannot be sanctioned (more deductions of up to £74 per week) because I am already working as much as I can, actually more than they say I have to.

Working is NOT paying.

What do they expect us to do in this situation where we cannot pay our essential bills despite working?? or if we dare to be disabled or ill and unable to work??

We (poor people, daring to work on minimum wage providing services the country cannot do without, like elderly care??) especially women, are being completely DECIMATED for daring to not be high-earners and for having children. Single people without children are faring even worse, the single unemployed under 25s with debt being expected to live on £37 a week after rent, even pregnant women??!!

The work allowance MUST be restored to what they were before the 2015 planned cuts.

Giving 51m to CAB to help people managed the online system is a drop in the ocean, and comes with gagging clauses to the point I would no longer trust the CAB to advocate properly on my behalf.

There needs to be a moratorium on debt repayments, which are old debts taken from people's UC at the automatic rate of £127 per month.

There needs to be a reduction in how much people are deducted for the advance loans they need to take out to survive on the 5 week wait.

There needs to be automatic split payments so people experiencing Domestic Violence are protected, an issue which TM and EMc just keep on ignoring.

There needs to be a rethink on how childcare is paid. Making poor people who move into employment, pay for their childcare every month upfront, only to experience numerous problems in getting UC to refund the 85% they promise, is not sustainable until the system can properly refund high childcare costs to people working at low wages.

There also needs to be a rethink on the issue of those who are paid on any cycle other than monthly, losing hundreds a year due to 'pay cycle issues' confirmed by McVey herself.

This is not even mentioning the flawed and lie-ridden 'work capability assessments' and the blatant discrimination and going-after the disabled and ill.

They should not be allowed, as under the old system they were not, to take people's debts or sanctions, from the money allocated to pay their rent or for their children. This is what the "6 payments into 1" rhetoric is covering up. I never minded different tops ups, and they already had the new RTI system which was all that was needed to stop fraud.

The Two-Child Rape Clause policy only harms vulnerable children, but I realise it did have support from some of the public which enabled this shitshow to go through unchallenged.

Has went too far now. People dying, people evicted, people being plunged into severe debt, mental health suffering, families with children having to go to foodbanks at record levels ("no correlation" according to the tories).

When are we going to stand up for all Low Earners, Disabled, Single Parents, Children and say that even the basic Safety-Net is being taken from people, using lies of 'personal failings' and 'worklessness' , whilst the richest benefit from tax cuts, and that enough is enough ??

HelenaDove · 28/10/2018 23:50

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Fuzzywig · 29/10/2018 11:00

themachinestops i don’t know what to say other than you Post is brilliantly well put.

The poorest in society are being blamed and being punished whilst continually being kicked.

I really hope that something changes and people who are forced to claim UC are listened to and changes are made .

DGRossetti · 29/10/2018 11:24

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 29/10/2018 11:44

of course the ost vulvernable are being blamed and targeted. That's a how cunting twattimg bullies work.
They cany fight those on their own level.
Oh and what's with that daft fake posh accent of hers. She was raised on a council estate in Liverpool. (Anfield ) if not mistaken.Trust me being from Liverpool myself I can categorically say no one from An field is natuatally posh. That's not à dig at anyone fr Anfield thats a fact.. Just like where I'm from isn't posh.

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