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To ask what YOU would do to help save the NHS?

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TamiTayorismyparentingguru · 15/10/2018 18:40

I don’t care if you’re an HCP or not, I don’t care who you vote for, I don’t care what you think about Brexit - all opinions welcome.

Opinions on practical suggestions on how to save the NHS only though.

Our local hospital is getting worse and worse with regards to staff shortages and waiting lists getting longer and longer. I will say that our GP is really great and we’ve never really had a problem with getting appointments etc, but as soon as you are referred to the hospital things go massively downhill. (We did have a GP misdiagnose/miss DH’s cancer which was pretty shit - but I wouldn’t say that was a particular problem with the system - more just one of those unfortunate things that happens, that really shouldn’t happen, but that are just a matter of course.)

The hospital is a different story though - wait lists for some departments are insane (current wait time for an initial cataracts appointment is 42 weeks and then up to 18m for treatment, paediatric dermatology is a min of 30weeks, paediatric podiatry is approx 30weeks also. I have been on a wait list for max fax for 14mths so far. I also had an 8week wait for an appointment at the breast clinic after seeing the GP with a noticeable lump.)

DH has also had to fight for every single appointment since his cancer treatment last year - instead of the 4-weekly appointments he’s meant to have had, most of his appointments have been 7-8 weeks apart and have been cancelled at the last minute (sometimes just an hour before) at least 4 times in the last year.

It’s awful and yet I do trust that the doctors, nurses, receptionists etc etc are all doing everything they possibly can.

What’s the solution?

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HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 21:41

How much have the DUP been paid again?

EwItsAHooman · 17/10/2018 21:44

£1 billion

irunlikeahipoo · 17/10/2018 21:51

Shatners Wig with regards to the B12 injections I suffer from lack of B12 really badly like you I was offered it once every three months
So I bought mine from Germany I bought 100 ampules plus the syringes and needles it cost me around £50
I self inject and it’s very easy to do ( watched a few you tube videos 😂)

If you go to the website Health Unlocked there are hundreds of people that do the same and there is a list of reccomended pharmacy’s to buy the B12 from

InertPotato · 17/10/2018 21:55

Helena, never have high-rate payers shouldered such a disproportionate burden of the tax base. You've predictably cut and pasted a selective compendium of sensational crap, when in fact the system bends over backwards to accommodate everyone at the expense of those who actually need help.

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 21:58

Predictably? Interesting.

InertPotato · 17/10/2018 22:23

Correct. As in, you cut and paste sensational crap regularly. Wink

Compendium = compilation. Autocorrect mishap.

HarveyNickNacks · 17/10/2018 22:25

I cannot praise the NHS enough. My DS is only here because of the excellent care they have given him over the last 20 years. But over the last 20 years we have seen so much waste.

Charge a cancellaton fee for people who don't turn up for appointments without good reason.

Stop sending out a hospital appointment letters with 5 pages of maps and directions to people who have been to the hospital before. We have this every single time. We've been going there since 1995.

Sort out the ridiculous delays in pharmacy deliveries to the wards where patients can be waiting hours to get medication and be discharged. Discharge prescrptions should be a priority,

They want to go home and other patients are waiting for beds. We waited nearly 5 hours for thyroxine, calcium and Vitamin D to be dispensed, whilst my DS took up a bed. 5 hours.

InertPotato · 17/10/2018 22:29

Charge a cancellaton fee for people who don't turn up for appointments without good reason.

The 'good reason' for cancellation would require a legion of NHS managers to categorise and judge, quarterly conferences, power points, and so forth. Just charge them and don't look back.

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 22:31

Where i can praise the NHS enough is when DH had his heart attack Emergency care is exemplary

ShatnersWig · 17/10/2018 22:32

@irun Yep. Works out at the same 50 p each it costs the NHS. But why should we have to do that when people are getting IVF and other things for free that aren't a condition that affects them physically on a daily basis? Makes no sense.

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 22:32

As long as when Virgin cancel an appointment by text while the patient is sitting in the waiting room, the patient can charge too.

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 22:34

The only reason people dont like cutting and pasting is because it stops them from ignoring links that dont suit their agenda.

My mum was a grafter and worked for FIFTY years in factories Shes paid her fucking dues and now it looks like she may have to pay privately for a MRI

WheelyCote · 17/10/2018 22:40

Scrutinise the the services the NHS provide and Vito some.

Sort out the procurement fiasco and old boys club of making deals. The NHS gets ripped off left right and centre and half of these aholes who secure the rip off deals then go to work consulting for private companies . Hmmm

Provide price lists to patients of things they think they should get free
Syringes, dressings, etc etc

Make staff aware of the prices for things.

Hire more staff from the ground up. Culling them the way some trusts do over summer periods is a false economy. It builds resentment and poor morale. Aka reduced agency need. Possibly even less Less lawsuits too.

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 22:40

And the joy continues..........................

michele kettlewell
@michketts
17m17 minutes ago
Replying to @DancingTheMind

For info - we’ve just learnt that #virgincare have won the ‘re-tender’ for health visitors and school nurses in N Lancs.

Xenia · 17/10/2018 22:42

In some EU states family brings in your food when you are in hospital. That might ensure people actually ate healthy food and half the NHS lunches for patients were not put into the bin.

Oliversmumsarmy · 17/10/2018 22:44

Sort out the ridiculous delays in pharmacy

See my other post. We had a great running pharmacy. But NHS don't seem to like older employees.

Then they decided to get rid of the older pharmacist who ran everything like clock work and replace her by 1 then 2 then 3 newly qualified pharmacists and it has really gone down hill.

Dp has regular treatment and regular medication.

It got so bad that he was within days of running out of his essential medication.

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 23:01

in those EU states im guessing the family member isnt living on £64 a week.

barcodescanner · 17/10/2018 23:04

Regarding Paracetamol and Ibuprofin. My son needs to take Ibuprofin during the day as advised by the doctor sometimes. School won't give it unless it has been prescribed. I tell the doctor's receptionist saying that in theory we just need a label as i'm happy to buy the medicine. Obviously that couldn't be done so both an appointment and prescription were used for something that should have just used common sense.

barcodescanner · 17/10/2018 23:07

Irunlikeahippo i'm trying to pluck up courage to self inject b12. Had to fight to get injections, then fight to get them every 8 weeks it's not enough though. Brain fog means i can't get my head around what i need to ger

Graphista · 17/10/2018 23:17

CherryPavlova - I don't think people are confused at all! HOW GP's are paid is irrelevant to patients, to a degree as they ARE still paid out of the nhs budget yes? Frankly it goes back to the inception of the nhs I believe when to be perfectly honest to my mind even at that point it was greed motivated GP's to refuse to be properly part of the nhs and Bevan had to give in to their demands as they are essential to the service.

And they're STILL imo being greedy, getting payments on top of their basic (not small!) salaries for providing certain services that actually are bloody obviously part of the job THEY ALREADY GET A SALARY FOR! And refuse to provide these services unless they are paid.

They won't work evenings, won't work weekends, won't do home visits even to bed bound patients, won't do bank/public/local holidays, won't even do NORMAL BUSINESS DAYS between Christmas and new year, many also take several days/weeks off either side of Christmas and new year.

And do you not consider that PART of the reason junior HOSPITAL Drs and nurses and other lower down the rung staff are working crazy hours is because GP's and senior hospital Drs are working part time hours for full time pay? Not the whole reason no but certainly a factor I believe.

"And before you say "put your prescription in earlier" well we have tried that one I was told it would not be put on the system and that i would just have to put it in again." I've had that too! - again when trying to be prepared for the Christmas shut down! That time of year I am of course more vulnerable to chest infections and thus asthma flare up yet its murder getting life saving meds sorted.

Want2b - I'm not asking or expecting you to make "certain statements" that's kinda my point - that the statements you ARE making are not from a point of actual experience. So how would you know if Medicaid works well?

"make medical exemptions on prescriptions only for that condition (e.g. insulin free if diabetic but not antibiotics unless for a diabetic infection)" sorry but that shows a blatant lack of knowledge of how diabetes and indeed how the human body works! No dr would definitively know if a patient got a bacterial infection due to being diabetic or if they'd have got it anyway. There'd be no consistency.

"Sorry but I’m not buying the too poor line." It's not a "line" 😡😡😡

The sick and disabled are the ones most likely to BE poor. They're also the ones most likely to have difficulties dealing with the mountains of bureaucracy that is dealing with our nightmare benefits system! Not least because they may not even be conscious or otherwise able to deal with it when stuff goes wrong! PIP and all other benefits are being massively messed around at the moment and people are LITERALLY dying as a DIRECT result - and the ministers involved are obfuscating and even outright LYING about the facts of this. If you literally physically don't have the money for a 90 minute taxi, no family or friends with the means to Lend this to you, no commercial companies (well reputable ones) will lend to those on benefits, even charities have cut RIGHT back and even the arguable possibility of an "emergency" loan from the govt would take several days to come through by which point the op date has been cancelled exactly WHAT are people supposed to do? Also bear in mind this wasn't the patients cock up! Have you been on benefits in the last 12-18 months? Do you even know how long it takes from first filling in the form to actually receiving something like pip? Even if you don't have to take it to appeal (which most do)?

"And yet again PIP has to stretch to the moon and back. Many people are paying their rent with it due to cuts to other benefits." This too!

User do you even know without looking how much pip is?

"Disability and sickness benefits, if you qualify for them which is increasingly difficult, aren't the vast fortune people seem to think they are." Omg yes! Some on here seem to think it's £100,000's.

"at the expense of those who actually need help." How on earth is that true?

Re returned meds being destroyed - it's tampering/contamination but it's also in case they've been stored incorrectly - many medicines need to be kept in a cool place but they haven't been.

LellyMcKelly · 17/10/2018 23:17

I’d be happy to pay a bit more tax. Totally agree that anything over the counter shouldn’t be available on prescription unless there is a good clinical reason for it. A serious rethink on what the NHS should be used for - and consideration given to what counts as ‘essential’ and what counts as ‘elective’. It should not be used as a catch all. The NHS should be used for ‘returning you to a normal life’ as far as possible rather than ‘enhancing your life’. Giving you only what you need rather than what you want. Get proper hard nose procurement specialists in - things like paying £20 for a pair on surgical stockings is ludicrous.

WingingWonder · 17/10/2018 23:24

Charges for non life critical ambulance- experience of this as a frequent practise to city centre hospitals being used as a taxi/bus service...
Repeat prescriptions limited to max 6 weeks medication- when a family member died and we were clearing out the volume of repeat prescription stuff that was on delivery without anyone checking it’s actual use was terrifying...
On that- something that checks people are actually routinely taking the meds - if it’s on pharmacy delivery unless patients presents as different to HCP very little checking seems to take place
Penalties onmussed appointnehts- not necessarily financial but 3 strikes and off drs books approach
NO letters for routine consultations- phone and make appointment at time that suits! Which would cut cancellations anyway- but the letters and beaurorocracy is ridiculous. Text or email confirmation only, and cc to GP
No school absence certs for sickness etc the school absence and charge policy is a farce anyway this just makes issue for genuinely ill people and takes precious time of GP
Routine pill/asthma/travel available by appt at super pharmacies in supermarkets etc open late and at weekends
GP walk in at all A&E, take ticket and wait- a&e for actual emergency only
Get actual buyers in to negotiate procurement
The list goes on

barcodescanner · 17/10/2018 23:25

Re b12 deficiency/pernicious anaemia. Nhs are hapoy to refer to consultants and do test after test when all we need is a cheap injection which the majority of us would be happy to pay for.
Untreated, we could end up in wheelchairs and then how much will it cost.
It is a serious condition but not treated as such

WheelyCote · 17/10/2018 23:25

Fair bit of anger on this thread.

The misinformation and incorrect beliefs are scary!

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 23:29

"No school absence certs for sickness etc the school absence and charge policy is a farce anyway this just makes issue for genuinely ill people and takes precious time of GP"

The schools doing this need to stopped from doing it It really needs cracking down on.

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