To think it's time Labour came out and said the people have spoken and they got it wrong

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Then come out in favour of remaining in the EU.

The people (just over half of those who bothered to vote) were listened to and massive attempts were made to make it work and get a deal. It's not going to work so there's no harm in saying that. Labour need to do it now.

Jeremy Corbyn however said that Brexit was going to happen...

Well they weren't very vocal about brexit at the time of the vote, no idea why you think they should come out about it now?

Or is Crobyn going by 'captain hindsight' now?

Jeremy Corbyn is an ardent Leaver. The sensible among his party have made it clear that remaining in the EU would be an option, however, with Corbyn at the helm that is all but a lost cause. If Yvette Cooper were to take over the reins I'd rejoin the party and put up some bunting before lunchtime.

Labour has indicated they won't vote for any deal Theresa May puts to Parliament which will likely mean we crash out with a disastrous No Deal.

Time to put our country first and support Remain before it's too late.

Vlad - the ERG and DUP have Theresa May over a barrell - why don't pro Remain Labour MPs do the same to Corbyn?

Because it's two different battles. Ousting a party leader is separate to negotiating the defeatist agenda that is Brexit in whatever form it will/might take.

They're biding their time. They're spouting something or other about '6 tests for Brexit' i.e. will the deal (when eventually revealed) match up to their litmus test. Of course they, nor anyone, have any idea of what the final deal might be or even look like. So as much as it is enraging for the rest of us - they seem to have found a very comfortable seat on the fence.

If Yvette Cooper were to take over the reins I'd rejoin the party and put up some bunting before lunchtime.

Considering how little support she received last time she ran for the leadership, do you believe that's a legitimate path to Labour winning a general election?

No it isn't, that much I know. But in all fairness I suspect that reversing the Earth's gravitational pull would be easier to achieve than ousting Corbyn.

Old fuddy duddies like Corbyn never admit when they are wrong.

They're biding their time

But I fear it's going to backfire on them. The right wing press will blame Labour for the disaster of No Deal.

I suspect that reversing the Earth's gravitational pull would be easier to achieve than ousting Corbyn

😁 Fair point. Jesus, how did we get here?

Fair point. Jesus, how did we get here?

Because Corbyn was a breath of fresh air, not a career politician and a man of principals, any one who didn't warm to him was in usual fashion purged in relentless purity tests and brushed aside as gullable to right wing smears.

So, I blame the fools who voted for brexit and the fools who literally though Corbyn was anything other than a backbench rebellious MP with a dodgy past and dodgy morals. Both as thick as each other.

Justanotherlurker You're bang on the money. For full disclosure I was once one of the disciples that did indeed think that Corbyn was a breath of fresh air. Having now seen how the cards have fallen in light of Brexit and a few other issues; namely women's rights, I have all but abandoned the Labour party.

The issue is we don't have a credible opposition party and whilst I'm quite delighted that the Tories are eating themselves inside out - that doesn't help anyone as frankly we're all sitting on the same boat heading up shit creek without a single paddle or life jacket between us.

Corbyn is partly culpable for not campaigning harder for remain. It’s the people in the labour heartlands who will suffer the most when the economy crashes

But of course he has to be mr controversial, mr agitator, and he couldn’t possibly support the status quo.

He’s not as much to blame as some of them, of course he isn’t, but he’s still on me “you fucked my kids’ future you twat” list.

• my not me!

Vlad - your first paragraph describes me and the Labour party to a tee. I'm almost done with them and there is no alternative.

I'm completely done with them. Fuck knows who I'd vote for if there was an election tomorrow. I reckon I'd end up spoiling my paper.

Yanbu. The membership are strongly pro remain. Most Labour voters are remain. MPs are mostly remain. The Tories have the leave vote, if it comes to a snap election I think Labour's best chance is to go all out with "the people must have the final say, let's take it back to them" and point out that the position we are in right now is not what was promised in 2016.

The Lib Dems are a bloody waste of space too. That is what I find so disillusioning as I have a lot of time for Vince Cable and his lot - not Tim Farron, mind. But what a waste of potential.

60% of Labour constituencies voted to leave.
Corbyn is a leaver. He knows he cannot bring in the kind of radical changes (nationalisation, state aid to industry etc) he wants while the UK remains part of the EU.
If the UK crashes out without a deal the government will be forced to hold an early election.
Labour will win.

They won’t, for 2 reasons :

1, The Labour leader and deputy leader are both life-long eurosceptics who almost certainly voted Leave, despite whatever they might say publicly. Many Corbynistas who had never heard of their hero ‘Jeremy’ before 2015 are still struggling to understand this...

2, Dozens of traditional working class Labour heartland seats in the Midlands and North voted Leave, many of them by substantial margins. Labour’s support is split between these areas and educated middle-class public sector workers who overwhelmingly voted Remain. It’s impossible to satisfy both groups and the big unions won’t let the party betray the former group.

Corbyn and more than half his cabinet are pro-LEAVE! The labour party is pro-LEAVE. I don't know how this is bypassing labour supporters? If you support Labour you are voting leave. ? ? Pro euro / europhiles tend to be conservative, liberals.

The EU and socialism are about as far apart as you can get.

They'd be well up for an alliance with Russia though! 😂