That this is not a bedroom?

[MTBMummy]

Please can we start a Mumsnet Campaign?

I'm sick of looking at properties labeled as 4 bedrooms when 2 of them are only 2m x 3m in dimension - these are box rooms, a study maybe, but FFS how can they be classed as a bedroom? A single bed is 0.9m x 1.9m, these rooms have no built in storage so how the fuck are you supposed to fit wardrobes and basic storage in them and still manage to actually see the floor???

Can we create a new law that states a room has to meet a minimum measurement before it can be marketed as a bedroom?

How about "garages" that aren't ?

My dds room is 2m by 3m
it has a bed, a wardrobe , a desk and chest of draws and a book case and overbed storage, fine for a teenager

I once viewed a "2 bed" where the second bedroom was not only tiny, it also had a massive column in the middle it! It was in a converted factory so every flat had one of these columns which was basically the old pipewirk with plasterboard around it, but it was dead centre in this room. There was about 3 foot of space on either side of it. The only bed you could have fitted in there was a Moses basket! It didn't have any utility as any room except maybe a storage room.

AlphaBravo That's just shocking! I get the whole it's a small island with limited space and a growing population, but surely the developers must realise that people need to be able to live in and use the space?

DGRossetti oh that's another pain point, like the "Garage" that was only deep enough to store the 2 bins?

sighs

I know our second bedroom in the old house we were renting would not be legally classed as a bedroom in some other countries. Due to two DCs sharing that size we were classed as overcrowded (regardless of the sex of the children, it was “any two people”)

We have now been housed and the third bedroom is actually even smaller but not bothered as it’s just DS, and we have so much room elsewhere to store toys etc. Unfortunately due to DS’ needs (autism and possible ADHD, sensory disorders etc) a cabin bed is just not safe for him, so can’t get storage that way. Just have a trofast unit which just about fits.

😂 at self ID as a bedroom

Where I use to live, the places we're looking at in the UK would have been described as being a 2 bedroom with a study. That way people knew there was a 3rd small room that might double as a tiny bedroom if needed but was best left as a study or storage room.

Here though..."It's a 3 bedroom!" No it fucking is not.

New builds are often the other way round.

My nieces new build was marketed as 3-bed town house with a first floor living room. Any ‘sane’ estate agent would market it as a 4-bed. I’m guessing the builders listed it as a 3-bed to get around planning rules/CIL.

We viewed a flat once where the kitchen was literally a cupboard. They’d taken the door off a built in storage cupboard, put a unit in there with a sink, and had a tiny desktop hob thing. Fridge freezer was in the living room

To those of you suggesting high sleepers and midi bed, but where do you then store all the toys and other child paraphernalia?

Current bedrooms are 2.6 x 3 both kids have midi bed's with under bed book shelf, drawers and pull out desk, and a wardrobe and a basic ikea storage unit for toys, but those storage units and wardrobes are at least 50cm deep which eats up the 0.6 extra, so how would you fit that in and still have room for your children to play in their rooms (DC's are not teenagers so still have toys that require space to be played with)

I thought that a single bedroom had to be 60 sq ft and a double 100 sq ft.....

FWIW, my DS's bedroom is 10ft by 6ft - not sure what that equates to in metres. He has a cabin bed, which has a fitted wardrobe, underbed storage and a desk built in and he also has a large free standing chest of drawers and a chair and that's it. He seems to manage fine!

Given that you can see the floor plan online for houses these days I don’t see how much of an inconvenience it can be.

We all have to live squashed up these days, a child’s bed a wardrobe, cupboard and a bookshelf go in fine, you can have a cabin bed for storage if it’s too much of a squeeze. This really is a first world problem.

Ours was listed as a four bedroom - the fourth bedroom is basically a wide hallway from the stairs to the bathroom.. No separate door, not walled off, not actually a room..

Legally you can't call that a bedroom - it has to have a door....

Our spare 'third bedroom' is 2m by 1.8m (So a cuboard really ;)

I have managed to fit in, a bed (190m by 70m wide - so small but built for an adult). You can buy them here. (platform space saver single one) www.getlaidbeds.co.uk/wooden-beds/space-saver-beds
I have slept in it and it is cofortable - I am a large person so it had to be sturdy!!

• A high shelf along one wall a wall of elfa (over the bed) which has 3 shelves and a long clothes rail so clothes hang over the bottom of the bed.
• Underbed storage
• A small drop leaf table that can be used as a desk (plus a fold up ikea chair stored on the wall but there is space on the floor if you are working at the desk) - 60cm wide by 20 cm deep (when the drop leaf is down, 70 cm with it up)
• a small tower of drawers for clothes next to the table (40cm by 40cm wide)

It can be used to work and as a room for visitors - with actually enough storage for clothes etc

The door had to be changed to open outwards though, which worked as it was not at the top of the stairs. It is tiny though, what I wouldn't give for 2m by 3m

We are now storing toys mainly in the hallway, but that is only because we now have an actual landing! In the old house we had a tiny space that couldn’t fit anything without tripping over it. We now have trofast units (the shallower ones where the trays are lengthways against the wall if that makes sense) all the way along the bannister. DS doesn’t really have much room for toys in his own room. Still working out what to do with the Lego as there’s not much space to play if we move that in there.

Lots of listings don't have floor plans viewable online here, maybe half if you're lucky.

I would not join this campaign.

But I would join a campaign to state all property listings MUST have floorplans with metric measurements.

Does my fucking head in. Especially when the description has measurements on. Put them on the floor plan!!

We are also trying to find a fold down desk. Something that folds down from the wall. If such a thing exists (I’ve seen them made on stuff like dengineers :o but lack any ability to make such a thing). He really wants a desk to do science on :o

@bumblingbovine49

I would love to see a picture of that room.

I found our floor plans by looking on the council website but only because I knew it was fairly new, it took bloody ages to find.

We used to live in a 650 sq ft house. DSD had a bedroom that was about the size of a large walk-in closet. (Seriously.) We had a folding door for her bedroom so the size wasn't impacted.

One option, if there's no built-in storage, is to get your child a bed that has drawers on the bottom. This would allow for some storage space while still preserving space in the room. A loft bed that has a desk underneath and some storage space included would probably be even better.

That said, we did eventually move into a much larger house.

@Cagliostro
My friend recently bought one of these, n ot sure if it would work for you?

www.ikea.com/gb/en/products/tables/dining-tables/norberg-wall-mounted-drop-leaf-table-white-art-30180504/?cid=gb%7Cps%7Cpla%7C%7C%7C%7C&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt_3PgsXq3QIVbr7tCh3JXwcZEAQYASABEgK81PD_BwE

On an estate where I live the 4th bedroom is 2.1 x 1.9m.
Our daughters single sleigh type bed wouldn’t fit in that room either way round.
It is 100% not big enough for a bedroom.
These houses were built in the mid 80s, and I’ve never seen a smaller bedroom in any other house!

We looked round a house last year which had "four" bedrooms but the smallest was a tiny square room. There's no way a full length single bed would have fit in and if you put a cot in there you'd have very little room for storage. We couldn't think of a single purpose for it - we needed an office as we both work from home but it would have felt like working in a prison cell. The inhabitants just had a clothes rail in there!

It was a £500k house, with decent sized rooms apart from that one, and I was baffled what that weird room plonked in the middle of it was about.

My friend rented an unseen 7 bedroom house with a group of 6 other students through the university accommodation services. One of the rooms was a small double attic room, another could fit a small double in it. Two of the bedrooms had cot beds. The other 3 rooms only just fit these thin antique looking metal framed beds and not much else.

They complained to the university and were moved to another property after a few weeks. Apparently it had been officially vetted as a 4 bed-roomed property but they'd divided two of the rooms.