To think Girl Guides should be inclusive of these trans children?

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The Girl Guides have now confirmed that female children (by which I mean those with XX chromosomes and a vagina) should be banned from Guides if they identify as trans. This includes both those who are identifying as boys and those who are identifying as 'non-binary' (which is a label a lot of young girls are choosing these days to indicate that they don't relate to either the stereotype of a man or the stereotype of a woman.)

Such children will be "discouraged" from joining and, if they are already Guides when they start questioning their gender identity, they will be asked to leave - even if they are happy in Guides, have friends there and could do with some stability at a difficult time of their life.

Meanwhile, young males (by which I mean people with XY chromosomes and penises) are welcome to join guides, go on residential trips and share communal showers and tents with girls just starting to go through the awkward stage of puberty, as long as they identify as being girls.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ban-for-girl-guides-who-identify-as-boys-dlj8mjk23

My experience of Beavers,cubs and Rainbows is this (the two groups my children attend)
Rainbows: pretty craft activity, stories and princess themes.
Cubs and Beavers: wide games, tent pitching, construction, mapping

If these aren’t gender stereotypes then what is??
My dd loves Rainbows and it’s gentleness so I’m happy with that but it’s not preparing her for life the way Beavers and cubs did.
I think it’s time both organisations joined together and moved forward.
I get the worries about open transgender policies meaning that paedophiles will try and exploit the situation - but abusive men have been doing that for years. It’s about training staff to be vigilant with others and remember that actually sometimes it’s the people you least suspect.
Understanding transgender people is our future and whether you like it or not we have to open the debate talk with them and make a more understanding community.

If the Guides just accepted boys and girls, like scouts do, they wouldn't need to be tying themselves in knots over this.

I get the worries about open transgender policies meaning that paedophiles will try and exploit the situation - but abusive men have been doing that for years

The fact abusive men (people) have been exploiting situations for years doesn't mean to say you put a massive loophole in Safeguarding for them to exploit.

Remember the "staff" are actually volunteers with regular jobs. "Vigilance and the people you least suspect" make it easy for volunteers by saying biological males shouldn't be sharing accommodation with biological females regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

My point is this: we had a paedophile in one of the clubs I attended as a child - he was inappropriate - he got away with it because he was the father of two of the children. There will always be a “loophole” - it’s further safeguarding protection that matters - encouraging whistle blowing and hyper vigilance.

I’m not saying I don’t agree with protecting girls and girls space - infact I’m worried about the rights of women and our daughters all the time.
I just feel that we have to get our heads round this - and as people who work with children know - ANYONE could be a paedophile and we have to watch everyone.

It isn't called the BOY scouts it hasn't been for a very very long time. I was a cub and a scout over 25 years ago! I left the brownies as it was crap FYI. Brownies I skipped around in a circle singing and learnt how to make cups of tea, scouts I did outdoors activities, travelled, played sport and learnt useful life skills such as first aid, cooking etc... I'd join the scouts if I was a boy, girl or anything inbetween over the brownies/guides any day!

Scouts accepting girls is completely different to what GG are proposing.
my dd doesn't have to toilet and shower with boys, they are separate.

In GG they'd be expected to shower with boys with penis's, because the boys want to be girls.

I think we have to accept that gender is going to become more and more fluid and adapt and improve our safeguarding laws to protect all our children - including the transgender ones cxxc

GG have just expelled two Leaders for 'whistleblowing' over concerns. Make of that what you will.
I am a big fan of Guides, my DD attends and is very happy and despite my misgivings I won't be taking her out.
Bear in mind though, most of the people running Guides are volunteers, not paid professionals, they do receive training but it's basic.
Busy units will mean a pretty high ratio of kids to Leaders/helpers, so you can't guarantee the same level,of expertise or supervision you would expect for example in a school setting.

I have no idea why my post was deleted. It wasn't offensive in any way. I was a tomboy growing up. I would rather have stuck pins in my eyes than join Girl Guides. Obviously it didn't fit with someone's ideals 🤷‍♀️

so someone with a willy can be among these vulnerable girls as long as they say they want to be a girl.
but someone with a minnie can't be among these vulnerable girls because they identify as the other sex (and I'm assuming their sexual orientation is girls instead of boys?)

So really, they're saying that gay girls are less trustworthy than males who feel they are in the wrong body.

Another way of belittling women i see.

The best thing about Guiding, that it was a single sex organisation, has just been taken away without any consultation.

I can't get beyond the fact that the privacy and dignity of adolescent girls is so easily dispensed with.
And what about peace of mind?
Knowing that the girl in the bed next to you has a penis!! Goodnight, sweet dreams! ffs

Well, parents of girls, you know what to do, make sure your dd don't go, then it can be called "Boys who consider themselves Girl Guides" doesn't have the same ring.