For all political parties to work together to get the best Brexit deal?

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I'm prepared to be totally shot down now and told how naive/stupid this idea is. I am definitely no political expert. But why can't all the party leaders and these so called 'experts' Farages/Johnson's work together with Theresa May to help secure the best Brexit deal we can.
Rather than just criticising her every move. Forget political parties for one minute and winning the next general election and put this country first.
Rather than just saying how terrible a job she is doing. If that is the case help her then surely?

Because whoever's left holding the Brexit parcel at the end of the round will be blamed for having the 'wrong' deal.

Whatever the finishing position, there will be a very substantial body of people who are very disappointed and angry about it. Nobody other than Teresa may is prepared to risk their own career to try and sort it out and end up as a scapegoat and I bet she wishes she'd waited to become PM until Boris or Gove had ducked it up.

Because you’re expecting them to put the country before personal interest and political parties? Yabu

This is exactly what I've been saying since the very start! If they'd joined together as a whole (as Parliament should surely do when it's a whole-UK issue!) then we'd have been in a much stronger position. But noooooo, it's all about ego's - Corbyn, Johnson, Davis et al...... Tossers one and all.

It's not Labour that want the UK to crash out of the EU, it's hardline anti-EU Tories looking for any chance to backstab Theresa May.

I have always believed that Brexit should be dealt with a a cross party issue

Along with the NHS

It can be done but I won’t be too many are too invested in themselves

Because the people who are really in charge don't want a Brexit deal, they want us to crash out without a deal so their disaster capitalism wet dreams become a reality and they make an absolute killing.

And because you can't polish a turd, and Brexit is a great big steaming smelly turd.

If the country had been governed intelligently we wouldn’t be facing brexit at all. They’re not going to change now and it’s all a mess.

What would be the best deal?

B/C we have a confrontational political system, rather than one that relies on consensus.

The LibDems were badly punished for going into coalition with Tories.
Electorate allowed no realism or room for compromise. LDs were treated as traitors who sold out.

Cooperation is not how British political system works. Winner takes it all is the system more people prefer.

It’s what I was hoping. But that’s not how our politics work.

I’m no Tory but I’d have liked Ken Clarke to be a significant negotiatior - experienced in Eu matters, respected and, I think, trustable.

If the country had been governed intelligently we wouldn’t be facing brexit at all. They’re not going to change now and it’s all a mess.

This.

At every step of the way brexit has been handled in the most incompetent way possible.

I'm disgusted that no party (except perhaps the lib dems, but they have no power) have been able to put aside their own mandates/political infighting and try to lead the country out of this mess. It's truly shocking.

It's suddenly so obvious how low rent our politicians are. Extremely limited in ability and don't give a shit about anything except saving their own ass. It's shameful.

Corbyn wants Brexit
MacDonnell wants Brexit

Johnson wants Brexit
May is scared of the ERG

Libdems were emasculated after the coalition
Sinn Fein want to stay in but do not attend Westminster
DUP want anything Sinn Fein do not want

Because it's so much easier to point the finger than it is to actually solve the problem.

We are not going to get a Brexit deal that's better than what we have currently as a member of the EU. The politicians all know this, and they don't want to be responsible for the mess that will occur when we leave. Much easier to stand by and blame someone else for not negotiating hard enough than to take responsibility for having allowed us to get to this point.

The problem is not that they won't work together to negotiate a "good" Brexit. There is no such thing. The real problem is that nobody is actually brave enough to stand up and say that, yes, we voted to leave but it was the wrong decision and we need to change our minds.

I like Ken Clarke too

And he was the only Tory to not support Article 50

But he is not in favor of a second referendum in any which I would as surpised about

I wasn’t sure if John McDonnel’s view he was during the referendum more forthcoming in support of remain that Corbyn was

I agree there should be cross -party engagement on the negotiations.

But actually the "best deal" is to stay in the EU.

As that is not possible, we have to agree to one of the two options the EU has set out - Canada type trade deal with arrangements for the Irish border, or be in the EEA.

Something did occur to me on the whole Irish border issue though. We're told we can't have special arrangements because of WTO rules. Well the EU has special arrangements all over the place so that's a red herring to start with (I'm pretty sure there's no hard border between San Marino and Italy for example though I may be wrong). But shouldn't all parties concerned be lobbying the WTO over this so we CAN have special arrangements, given the history?

Two obvious problems :

1, They couldn’t agree on what the ‘best Brexit deal’ is. The Tories can’t even agree among themselves, and they are all supposed to be on the same side.

2, Labour want to be in power and, in their view, sitting back and letting the Tories tear themselves apart over Brexit is the best way to achieve this. It is not in their interests to help the Tories sort out the epic clusterfuck that their own dysfunctional incompetence has created.

In terms of 'best deal' that would have been to stay in completely where we had 'deals' exemptions, and a seat at the table to influence the direction of the EU, where we were the day before the vote in 2016. Anything else now is simply 'least bad' and the rats are in the sack fighting.

Agreed, LeClerc.

The ‘best deal’ is very obviously to stay in, while retaining our opt-outs on Schengen, the Euro etc. Anything other than this is worse, hence the problems....

I think the British border problem is b/c of the customs union.
rUK could have Canada++ while Norn was in Customs Union.
UK won't accept that (DUP won't accept that).
Thus the stalemate.

I'm pretty sure there's no hard border between San Marino and Italy for example though I may be wrong).

I’m pretty sure they’ve in a customs union with the EU. If we had that we’d have a deal and there’d be no need to revert to WTO. Also I think we pissed the WTO off so I’m not sure they’re amenable to us trying to strong arm them into breaking their rules at the moment.