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To think that most people who think men accused of rape should be granted anonymity don't understand what it actually means?

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 18:49

Anonymity simply refers to press anonymity. It has nothing to do with not being named during the course of the police investigation.

Even if those accused of rape and other sex crimes were granted anonymity it wouldn't stop allegations of those things needing to be investigated which would mean the suspect/accused would need to be named when speaking to potential witnesses and when building the case. Anonymity wouldn't stop those witnesses from then telling people who he is and it certainly wouldn't stop people walking into a rape trial and finding out who he is that way. Anonymity wouldn't stop bail conditions been set. It wouldn't stop people gossiping and making their own judgments.

I have seen it a lot, even on here, where people argue that they should be given anonymity because they know someone who was accused (falsely or otherwise) who had their lives torn apart as a result of the investigation or bail conditions despite the fact that those things have bugger all to do with anonymity and would still happen even if anonymity was in place.

I've even seen cases where a minor was accused and people still used them as examples as to why anonymity is important despite the fact that minors are automatically anonymous Confused.

Not to mention the fact that the majority of men accused of rape are not named in the press anyway. Generally men only tend to be named if they are high profile or if there is an unusual or interesting element to the case (e.g serial rapist). The majority of men accused of rape already are anonymous.

I've been quite surprised by how many people seem confused by this why I've explained to them what it means or just flat out don't believe me.

AIBU to think that a lot of people arguing for anonymity for the accused think that it means that they won't be named or identified at all during the investigation? AIBU to think most people misunderstand what anonymity means?

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 18:50
Blush

Quite a lot of long sentences there...

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 18:51

Also excuse any typos Blush

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MoggyP · 13/09/2018 18:53

Yes, I think YABU to underestimate MNers and their grasp on even quite complex subjects. We're not just thick breeding machines.

coldrain2018 · 13/09/2018 18:54

my friends life was destroyed by malicious allegations. He was named in the local press. This increased the number of people who knew what was happening by several orders of magnitude He couldn't step outside for two years. He was cleared completely, and the girl was charged with wasting police time. This was not reported in the local paper... he now lives in a different part of the country, but who know what will come up if anyone ever googles his name

PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 18:55

That's very sad @coldrain2018 but it has nothing to do with people misunderstand what anonymity means.

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coldrain2018 · 13/09/2018 18:57

he should have had anonymity

PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 18:57

Yes, I think YABU to underestimate MNers and their grasp on even quite complex subjects.

It's not just MNers. It's the general population.

And yes, I have seen people say those things on here.

Not understanding something doesn't make you thick btw.

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 18:59

he should have had anonymity

Again not really the point of this thread.

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MNsplaining · 13/09/2018 19:01

No, I'm very aware of what anonymity means ta.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 19:03

No, I'm very aware of what anonymity means ta.

You're taking this a bit personally, aren't you?

Confused
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MNsplaining · 13/09/2018 19:11

Even if those accused of rape and other sex crimes were granted anonymity it wouldn't stop allegations of those things needing to be investigated which would mean the suspect/accused would need to be named when speaking to potential witnesses and when building the case. Anonymity wouldn't stop those witnesses from then telling people who he is and it certainly wouldn't stop people walking into a rape trial and finding out who he is that way. Anonymity wouldn't stop bail conditions been set. It wouldn't stop people gossiping and making their own judgments.

I don't know anyone who would think this. No-one thinks the Police interview witnesses with 'I believe you knew a man at some point who is currently being investigated for a crime. Can you tell me about him?'

People mean anonymity in the press.

There's a huge difference between a person accused of a crime and people involved knowing (and a few gossips), and person accused of a crime named in a newspaper read by thousands ++ people.

AuntieStella · 13/09/2018 19:15

You really are coming across as an arch mansplainer (whateversex/gender you are).

Do you think you're the only person with understanding in a sea of thickos? Thickos here meaning people who don't agree with you.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 19:15

No-one thinks the Police interview witnesses with 'I believe you knew a man at some point who is currently being investigated for a crime. Can you tell me about him?'

I think most people don't think about it too much tbh.

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 19:16

Thickos here meaning people who don't agree with you.

Confused

Nothing to do with agreeing with me or not.

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YeTalkShiteHen · 13/09/2018 19:18

No, I think most people understand that anonymity only extends to press anonymity.

YeTalkShiteHen · 13/09/2018 19:18

Or being named on SM and the like.

Harpingon · 13/09/2018 19:20
Biscuit
PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 19:22

Biscuit for you too @Harpingon Hmm

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Jackie0403 · 13/09/2018 19:25

I reported someone for rape, not knowing what to their name. The person was found, and while he is under investigation I am not allowed to know his name, and I assume if it does not go to court I won't ever know.. Yes it does not mean that the person will not be named in any way, but it is not necessarily just the press

user1471453601 · 13/09/2018 19:25

There is a big glaring fault in your logic, Plants. At the moment the alleged victim is granted anonymity. I guess there's a reason for that which we can all understand. That anonymity presumably has some value to the alleged victim. So why shouldn't the accused be granted the same privilege?

Now, if you were to argue that anonymity for the accused would deny other victims of the accused the opportunity to come forward, i would understand the logic of your argument

1CantPickAName · 13/09/2018 19:26

Are you arguing for or against anonymity?

I don’t know anyone who doesn’t understand what it means in this context.

Many lives have been ruined due to false claims of sexual assault.

Jackie0403 · 13/09/2018 19:26

What their name is**

1CantPickAName · 13/09/2018 19:28

@user1471453601 I do agree that in some cases, naming the accuser has made other victims come forward

PlantsArePeopleToo · 13/09/2018 19:29

@user1471453601

I'm not arguing for anonymity. I'm not really arguing for or against either way on this thread tbh.

The accuser and the accused both play different roles in the justice system so the fact that the alleged victim/victim is allowed to remain anonymous is irrelevant.

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YeTalkShiteHen · 13/09/2018 19:30

It would appear you only started this thread to argue OP. Or assert your superior intelligence. Either way, why ask a question and then argue?

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