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Original poster

To think the DfE doesn't care that girls are being raped in schools?

78 replies

VickyEadie · 13/09/2018 09:17

www.tes.com/news/our-kids-were-raped-classmates-dfe-wont-listen

Safeguarding - no longer an issue that matters, especially where girls are concerned.

OP posts:

RiverTam · 13/09/2018 10:10

upside why are you focussing on the perpetrator of a rape rather than the victim? It is precisely that attitude that results in victims being left in the same class as their attacker.

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VickyEadie · 13/09/2018 10:12

A lot of hyperbole from you OP.

Oh, all right then. Clearly not a problem for you.

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CloudPop · 13/09/2018 10:12

@GoldenWonderwall precisely

tillytrotter1 · 13/09/2018 10:14

Police can't do anything if the child is under the age of criminal responsibility (10).

With reference to criminal activity in general, if children under 10 are deemed to be below the age of criminal responsibility then their parents should be held legally and financially responsible.

charlestonchaplin · 13/09/2018 10:14

Many children have unfettered access to the Internet and therefore porn. I think that you are mistaken GoldenWonderwall if you think that you would look at these children's lives and be horrified by what you see. I bet many offenders come from 'nice middle class homes', which probably makes it even more difficult to get strong action taken against them.

eelbecomingforyou · 13/09/2018 10:14

I didn't realise that a boy as young as Year 2 would be physically capable of rape. Horrendous.

Gileswithachainsaw · 13/09/2018 10:16

I didn't realise that a boy as young as Year 2 would be physically capable of rape. Horrendous

I think this is part of the problem. I think we all underestimate just what kids can be capable of.

charlestonchaplin · 13/09/2018 10:19

tillytrotter is expressing her opinion of what she feels should happen, not the law as it stands. (Because some people will take any scrap of information and run with it as fact.)

Clawdy · 13/09/2018 10:20

But are they physically capable of rape at seven?

Gileswithachainsaw · 13/09/2018 10:21

And I think everyone knows full well what the drill is. It's why they police clothing and skirt lengths and make up usage and hair dye etc

The obvious solution to keep girls safe and quite possibly improve educational standards in many schools would be to segregate again. Have girls schools available to eveeyone .

But that means teachers being soley responsible for the boys. No buffer zone girls. I think girls are accepted as the collateral damage

bigKiteFlying · 13/09/2018 10:22

I dont know what consequences you think he deserves?

Help - to find out what has gone so wrong in their lives and education about why their actions were wrong.

I think removing them from an environment they have already mange to rape in even to their determent has to be there - as I think the victim needs have to be considered.

worridmum · 13/09/2018 10:42

They physically are not capable as the penis does not get erections until pubity so it would be sexual assault under the UK definition (equally as serious i am told....).

But under 10 are also victims its a sad state of affairs when they both cannot be considered victims no under 10 would be doing this sort of behavior unless they were victim to it in the first place.

I am not saying the boys needs are more important then their current victim just that they are BOTH victims and should be treated accordingly.

Gileswithachainsaw · 13/09/2018 10:46

I am not saying the boys needs are more important then their current victim just that they are BOTH victims and should be treated accordingly

But they arent. It's put on girls from the get go . If it's not advising shorts under dresses it's that crop tops are inappropriate etc biys are just never held accountable Nd this is the result

Melamin · 13/09/2018 10:48

They physically are not capable as the penis does not get erections until pubity so it would be sexual assault under the UK definition (equally as serious i am told....)

I remember my brother showing me that he could make his willy go stiff at 8 or 9. He thought it was funny. So did I. (More innocent times - neither of us had any clue why it should happen and weren't interested either. )

Melamin · 13/09/2018 10:53

I am not saying the boys needs are more important then their current victim just that they are BOTH victims and should be treated accordingly

But they arent. It's put on girls from the get go . If it's not advising shorts under dresses it's that crop tops are inappropriate etc biys are just never held accountable Nd this is the result

It is a massive failure of safeguarding for both parties. Boys are being exposed to sexualised and abusive messages before they have the life skills to sort out context and right from wrong.

PerkingFaintly · 13/09/2018 11:03

Bloody hell.

Among other horrifying aspects of this, the staff who witnessed incidents considered the girl responsible for the boys' behaviour.

Exclusive: School staff failed to stop six-year-old playground rapes
www.tes.com.c.timeshigheredprod.ent.platform.sh/news/exclusive-school-staff-failed-stop-six-year-old-playground-rapes

Although two members of staff were present in the playground on two different occasions, both failed to recognise the seriousness of what was going on and respond accordingly.

In the first incident, a staff member saw the children in the corner of the playground – but then proceeded to tell the girl off.

“She was told off for having her knickers and her tights down around by her knees with one of these boys behind her,” Anna said.

On a second occasion, another member of staff saw one of the boys with his head up her skirt. The assistant told off the girl for letting the boy stick his head up her skirt, and the boys were just told to “run away”. The girl was not talked to separately, asked what had happened or whether she was OK.

Anna told Tes that the school had already been alerted by other parents to the boys’ displaying harmful sexual behaviour.

Gileswithachainsaw · 13/09/2018 11:03

Well that's just it I mean In order to safe guard you have to know what A inappropriate behaviour and no one is willing to admit what is inappropriate behaviour. Uness it's girls and their clothes -their existence The rest is the result of said girls...

PineappleSunrise · 13/09/2018 11:11

montFleur, where are your stats from? Because the Home Sec and the Head of the NCA's child sexual exploitation announced quite a different views to you just two weeks ago:

www.gov.uk/government/news/tackling-child-sexual-exploitation-online

PerkingFaintly · 13/09/2018 11:12

Indeed. After all, if a girl is responsible for the boys' behaviour, no need to look elsewhere for someone else who might be causing it...

The staff behaviour let all the children down.

RabbityMcRabbit · 13/09/2018 11:15

But are they physically capable of rape at seven?

Well clearly they are otherwise their mothers wouldn't have written the article, duh

Eliza9917 · 13/09/2018 11:18

Jesus. The more I read the more convinced I am that I would home school any future kids.

This is disgraceful. Why are the rapists not taken out of school and sent to 'borstal' type school for offenders??

How does this even happen in a primary school? I understand how it could happen in a secondary school as kids aren't constantly supervised there, but how can it happen in primary?

worridmum · 13/09/2018 11:23

people misunderstand the defination of rape it is defined as penitration with a penis a unerrect penis cannot penitrate so would come under the classification of sexual assualt

Just like how I was sexually assaulted by a lesbian with a sexual instrument was sexual assault and not rape since she did not have a penis (were rape in my opinion should be any forced sex encounters like Sweden).

So my rapist is not in fact a rapist because she is a she and cannot be a rapist under UK law due to lack of penis, yet i feel i was still raped.

tillytop · 13/09/2018 11:23

Schools dealt much better with child sexual exploration /inquisitiveness in the 70's and 80's. Dealt with sensibly, sensitively and quickly. I was horrified to find that in the 90's this had changed to a blame culture with everyone trying to wriggle out of responsibility rather than be sensible as before. Personally, I believe that led to what is happening now, where things are obviously much worse.

Gileswithachainsaw · 13/09/2018 11:24

How does this even happen in a primary school? I understand how it could happen in a secondary school as kids aren't constantly supervised there, but how can it happen in primary?

Because kids are far smarter than we give them credit for. They work out so quickly which tree staff can't see behind . That no one ever goes behind the bike racks . And because they know that Every one will care far more about the the girls pants on show than anything the boy can say or do.

arranfan · 13/09/2018 11:54

Sexual violence in schools is not a new phenomenon.

A local school made the newspapers in the 70s only when visiting inspectors witnessed sexual activity happening in the classroom during lessons. The school was so out of control that the teachers had given up attempting to intervene.

Parents reports of sexual assaults on their children were discounted and disregarded. It was dismissed with a "Boys will be boys" and, all too often, that the girls were responsible (it being a time when it was still legitimate to regard girls/women as the gateway to sin and immorality). It was only when the school inspectors confirmed the reports that it made the news.

Decades later and we're getting no better at acknowledging it, never mind addressing it.

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