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To retrain as a counsellor/psychotherapist at 40?

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Flutterby78 · 12/09/2018 10:07

Could anyone help me with this goal? I would like to work hard to gain the correct qualification to be able to help other people. I am a single mum of 4 and a bit lost as to where I should be looking a year courses. I would ideally like to see clients privately if that's makes a difference? Please be gentle with me this is my first tentative look at qualifications. Thanks

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CountessVonBoobs · 13/09/2018 10:00

Clinical psychologists are in demand, but places on the training are restricted and very hard to get. You need to get the equivalent of an undergrad psych degree, then gain relevant work experience in free or very low paid posts, then usually apply again and again for one of the places on the doctorate, often for 2 or 3 years or more without success. When I did my psych conversion masters lots of people on the course with me were doing it so they could become clinical psychs. That was several years ago and by no means all of them ever managed a place on the doctorate.

Pretty much every area of psychology is oversubscribed and very competitive.

CountessVonBoobs · 13/09/2018 10:07

I can't speak to working in the NHS as a clin-psych, but I have to say the friends I've had that do it often don't speak very highly of it.

CSIblonde · 13/09/2018 10:16

I did a post grad Counselling Diploma (2years). I was really worried I'd find it hard but as I read psychology books for pleasure anyway & did child psychogy for my teaching degree. I work as a grief Counsellor now & it's so fulfilling (I'm 49).

DemocracyDiesInDarkness · 13/09/2018 10:19

I've had two friends go back to uni to do a Counselling qualification, but neither have been able to make a career out of it. There's a LOT of doing unpaid placements to get experience, so neither of them have been able to give up the day job. Basically they've added debt, more work and pressure to their lives without getting what they wanted.

If my household relied solely on my income I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

caroloro · 21/09/2018 13:22

@kalecake I guess it depends on what you want out of a job, how concerned you are about career advancement, and how willing you are to commit time and energy with no guarantee of eventual qualification.

Absolutely clinical psychology is very very competitive pre-qualification, it can be a long journey with no guarantee you'll reach the finishing line. There are many more able, talented, intelligent graduates with great experience than there are places on the training. Once you're qualified, though, you'll pretty much be guaranteed a job, and great career prospects. There's a clear hierarchical structure for career progression, although, as is the case with every profession, the more senior you become, the fewer of those posts there are around. With clinical psychology as well, it is important to hold in mind that if what you want to do is mainly therapy, then this pathway is not necessarily the best path for you. To follow this route you'd need to spend several years studying and gaining qualifications and experience with no eventual guarantee of a doctoral training place at the end of all that effort. Understandably, many people who have done this and not gained a training place feel quite disillusioned.

With counselling qualifications, as long as you have time, funding and are willing to put in the effort, hours etc, there are far fewer limits on becoming qualified, and your eventual qualification (or not) will depend mainly on you, rather than how many places on training are available that year. It is a really useful qualification and there are lots of different areas you could work in, although less of a clear career structure, and fewer prospects for career advancement. It is also by no means guaranteed that you would be able to find a job. If what you mainly want to do is direct therapeutic work, then this is probably a better pathway, with a more certain outcome.

So, would I recommend that you seek to become a clinical psychologist rather than a psychotherapist? I guess that depends what you want, and how much time you are able to give the pathway. To train as a clinical psychologist you would need to have a high 2:1 in your first degree, do a conversion masters, then look to gain relevant paid experience for a minimum of 12 months full time equivalent (but in reality it is usually 2, 3, 4 or more years here). To gain this minimum employment requirement you may need to work in less relevant, less well paid or voluntary roles for an unspecified amount of time. Even then you would not be guaranteed a place on the doctoral training, as there will be around 4000 applicants nationally for around 500 places each year. Depending on where you live and your ability to relocate/commute, your choice of training institution might be limited further, and the applicants/places ratio might be even higher.

All that said, it is also one of the few professional trainings still fully funded, and you even get a healthy salary of around 28000 whilst completing the doctorate, as you work in the NHS three days a week for the duration. I think this adds to the appeal for many.

I love my job. It is varied, interesting, rewarding, demanding, and at times stressful. I've been qualified for 13 years and have progressed well and am now in quite a senior role (if you want to look up agenda for change payscales, newly qualified clinical psychologist starts on band 7, most people can easily progress to 8a after a few years, and then 8b, 8c etc posts are harder to come by. 8d and 9 posts are virtually unheard of, very senior, and often heads of regions rather than departments). I'm able to balance work and family life (NHS is a really family friendly employer) and earn enough in three days a week to stay afloat. But I might be saying the same thing if I had trained as a counsellor or psychotherapist!

What I would recommend is seeing if you can contact some people in the range of professions you have an interest in to find out about their day to day experience in the workplace, employment prospects once qualified, salary ranges etc.

Noodge · 21/09/2018 13:35

I did level 3 &4(it took three years for the courses and another year to become qualified), didnt have to do a degree because I already had an M.A in a semi related field, and skipped level 3. It was VERY hard,but it was the quickest way. And probably the easiest. You'll need to probably not work full-time while doing it, you need your own counselling, and you need a set number of hours practicing in placement. I shudder thinking about the stress it caused me and I still earn nowhere near enough to be thinking about dropping other income.

LaurieFairyCake · 21/09/2018 13:54

Firstly, you’re not too old. I have trained counsellors on the diploma and the oldest was 68.

The quickest way to do it is 3 years and 3 months. 12 week intro course, I Year certificate, 2 year Diploma.

However most placements will only allow 2nd year Diploma students to gain hours so you are unlikely to get the 100 (minimum) counselling hours in that last year of studying (as well as studying, having your own supervision, having your own counselling)

The cost to me to train was I estimate about £25k - including the above plus the fact I couldn’t work full time as I did a day time course.

I also stayed in my placements for 4 years as I had a true vocation for it (DV, drug addicts, rape crisis, mind)

I’m 15 years on and I’m doing the best financially so far as I have a private practice with a waiting list. I put that down to being in London.

I earn between £2.5k-£5k a month depending on whether I’ve had holidays etc.

Deductions from that are approx £450 a month (room costs/websites (multiple)/insurance/membership of professional bodies)

I’m currently thinking about renting an extra room in Central London for £300 a month on top of the above costs for one day a week so I can pick up the people who want to go after work. Central London prices are approx £130 an hour so it may be worth it.

FreudRogersBeck · 21/09/2018 20:46

You'd need to do a level 3 or access course, then a degree which totals 4 years training. The BACP is moving towards degree level accreditation so it's important that counsellors are all trained up to level 6 in preparation.

There are no quick routes as it's a specialised and highly regulated field. But there are courses for mental health workers etc. These would not enable you to practice privately however x

EvaHarknessRose · 21/09/2018 20:56

Have a look at training to be a psychological wellbeing practitioner (PWP) lots of jobs, on the job training and pathways to other training or areas of practice (although tbh it is difficult to progress within the NHS without a core nursing, social work, OT or clinical psychology degree). Not quite what you are looking for perhaps, but might be of interest. And could lead to online work from home.

RoboticSealpup · 21/09/2018 21:27

A friend of mine did this at the age of 40. That was more than six years ago and he still doesn't make any money from it whatsoever.

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