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To not want my sister in law involved with my baby?

7 replies

Bagger288 · 10/09/2018 12:31

Long post, sorry. Summary:

SIL is toxic, manipulative, selfish. I'm overdue with 4 days with my first baby. I want my son to have a relationship with my brother and his children, but I don't want SIL to have anything to do with him. Is this feasible? How could I engineer this? Or do I have to grin and bear it?

Long story:

My eldest brother is 50, I'm 28. My eldest brother's children are relatively close in age to me. My brother and his wife have always lived abroad due to his job. When my brother's eldest son turned 11 he went to boarding school near my parents' house. He'd stay at ours on weekends and during the holidays.

My parents did everything for him. Fed him, ferried him around, attended his school concerts, took him on day trips, essentially acted in loco parentis. They loved him dearly, he got on great with all of us. But they always deferred to his parents, asked their opinions, tried never to overstep their boundaries.

My SIL used to call my nephew on the phone every week. These phone calls were essentially just her nagging him, telling him off for poor grades etc, and he just used to sit there looking sad (this was right from when he was in year 7). He'd come off the phone and be very upset. My mum hated seeing this, and made the mistake of one day mentioning to my SIL that my nephew had honestly been trying his best, and that maybe an ounce of praise was worth a pound of criticism. SIL saw this as my mum attacking her parenting (which, to be fair, it kind of was, and I think my Mum regrets it now). It was all downhill from there. SIL sent her other two children to separate boarding schools far away from us, I think so my parents wouldn't be involved in their care.

She's been constantly really unpleasant since then. Some examples:

When I was younger, she'd say things to me like "I'll take you clothes shopping, your Mum's too old to know about fashion", "I'll teach you about makeup so that you can hide those dark circles, your Mum doesn't know much about makeup."
Once, my brother was away and couldn't send my elderly Aunt a birthday card. My mum asked SIL if she could send one on their behalf, SIL said "no, I don't deal with THAT side of the family."
We'd always send her birthday / Christmas cards, presents etc., never once were thanked for anything.
She hasn't attended any family funerals, or my parents' Golden Wedding celebration (huge family get-together). When my sister mentioned to her that the Golden Wedding was a brilliant party, she said "oh, if I'd known it was going to be any good I might have come."
Just lots of little snarky comments and put-downs. My brother is spineless and never stood up to her. He earns an absolute shitload of money but she controls how he spends it. She's never worked (when she's tried, she's quit - never got along with managers / colleagues - it was always someone else's fault, obviously.)

This would all be fine if she didn't still ask my parents for favours. She asked a couple of years ago if my nephew could live with my parents for a year or so while he saved up money. My parents were dealing with my very ill and elderly Gran at the time and looking after my sister who'd just had brain surgery, and they said they were really sorry, he could always stay there for a couple of nights at a time, but they needed the spare room. She said "well, I've already told him you'd say yes, what am I going to tell him now?!"
They're still asked to pick them / the kids up from the airport, ferry them around, my Dad's still asked to help fix their car, etc. etc... I've told my parents to tell them where to stick it, but obviously, it's their son, they love him, etc.

The final straw was this Xmas when my mum sent SIL a few presents, including Monty Bojangles truffles. These have quirky packaging. On the pre-printed label it says "To the desperately important... from the truly magnificent...". My mum filled out the label, didn't give it a second thought.

About two weeks after Xmas she got a letter in the post from SIL, accusing her of insulting her: "you called me desperately self-important. All the kids were upset on my behalf, the whole day was ruined, we've never had a good relationship but I've tried my best with you, this is the final straw, I don't want any contact with you again, please don't respond to this letter, " etc.

My Mum didn't respond to the letter. I don't think my brother knows about it; he wasn't there on Xmas day due to his work. My Mum is really upset at the thought of her grandchildren thinking badly of her. Me and my other siblings are appalled and want nothing to do with SIL.

Basically - I want my son to have a relationship with his Uncle and his cousins, but I don't want SIL to have anything to do with him.

Any idea how to do this? Should I tell my brother outright? Should I be honest with SIL and risk her ruining my relationship with her children? They have a house only half an hour or so from where I live, so will want to pop over and meet the baby. I've always been polite to SIL, so she thinks our relationship is fine.

Maybe I should just grin and bear it, but I'm so angry at how my Mum's been treated that I don't think I'd be able to hide my feelings. Any ideas?

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 10/09/2018 12:36

Surely your brother’s noticed there’s no contact?

And if the DGC are adult now contact is up to them?

Bagger288 · 10/09/2018 12:43

They live quite separate lives, so he won't have noticed. It's a weird relationship. She lives some of the time in the UK now. I've seen her once since the letter was sent, but I didn't know about the letter at the time, so acted totally normal and civil.

True about the DGCs being adult now. Their youngest is 17 however, and I think she'll believe whatever her mum tells her, sadly.

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Clockwork95 · 10/09/2018 12:44

She sounds crackers. If she lives abroad though, will it be that hard to just leave her out of things? Just engineer meetups with your brother and their kids when they're over to visit?

Comeymemo · 10/09/2018 12:59

You seem to want to pick a fight/retaliate on your mum’s behalf. You shouldn’t get involved in the relationship between SIL and DM. That is for them to fix. From your OP, none of this (or very little) seems to be about you.
I think excluding a family member from a relationship with your baby is a very extreme step for very insignificant disputes and minor misunderstandings.
So, in a nutshell, YABU.

1981fishgut · 10/09/2018 13:06

Not going to happen unless you cut your bother off

whatwouldyoubelikeat28 · 10/09/2018 13:06

Toxic people aren't worth keeping around. Try and continue to invite your niece and nephew to things. See your brother seperately. DOn't need to pick a fight with SIL, just don't engage with her ever again.
My SIL was like this to my mum, mum has kind of moved on for the sake of the grand-kids, but I can't forgive my bitch of a SIL. Not in a hurry to either.

JayoftheRed · 10/09/2018 13:17

If someone treated my mum badly, unless I thought my mum was in the wrong, then my own relationship with that person would be more or less over.

My mother has been very badly treated by her sister, so I have no relationship with her (my aunt that is). She has never been particularly nice to me either, but I am NC due to her treatment of my mother. I defy anyone to tell me that I shouldn't feel that way. If my aunt rocked up and wanted a relationship with my children, she would be told very clearly that wasn't going to happen. Thankfully she lives on the other side of the world, and they are welcome to her.

So if you want to keep your SIL away, then do it. You may have to sacrifice a proper relationship with your brother, but it sounds like he is a bit useless too, and also too busy to have relationships with his family. Maybe have a WhatsApp group and keep her out of it, or block her on Facebook and use that. If she contact you, maybe just say something like you don't appreciate the way she has used and then treated your mother. That will probably make her blow up at you but then problem solved!

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