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In cutting contact with this friend?

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Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:01

We live in a very remote and tight knit community, there's only one other kid in ds's year.

His best friend is in the year above. They've been friends since they were 1 and the family moved here.

The friend in question, let's call her Sally, and I have become very close. There are only 4 of us here that are around the same age. I am friends with some of the younger women also.

Sally and her husband have a drink problem. Don't get me wrong, Dh and I probably drink too much, but I'm talking she's often slurring and staggering by 4pm on a weekday. She's also started drinking in the mornings and picking up from school drunk.

Her husband can get violent when he drinks. Both towards her and their child.

Until now I've wanted to stick around in the dynamic to try to support her. She literally has nobody else here. Her family are 1000s of miles away and she has no friends other than me.

But, she started doing this thing where she'd tell my ds that he could go for a sleep over, play date, trip to the beach etc. She'd ramp him up about how much fun they'd have, he'd come and tell me and I'd always say no. At first because we simply had other plans and I felt 3 was too young for sleepovers and quickly because I know how drunk they both get and no way in hell am I leaving ds in the care of someone that loses all control by 6pm, sometimes earlier.

So of course being a 3 year old, now 4 he'd go mental. She'd have built these things up so much and told him he was going when we said no you can imagine the fallout.

She did it on his birthday because she was drunk, he was sobbing and she kept telling him 'well I want to you come but your Mummy and Daddy won't let you.' DH had to carry him away screaming (as you would bring three and being around a very drunk adult) and I asked her to leave.

The last time she did this, I was going away for the evening. I told her so on the phone. She instantly said 'oh, I'll ask your Dh and ds over for dinner then!' This in itself made me a little HmmConfused.

I told her Dh had plans to go away with ds. She got to ds's school 15 minutes early for pick up and told ds he was going to her house! DH turned up and the melt down ensued. DH ended up not going away (getting a kid having a melt down on a boat isn't safe) and was furious.

Anyway, long story short (as it's been a wee bit long already but didn't want to drip feed) Dh messaged her the next day and nicely said he appreciated the invite but next time she wanted ds to do something could she please ask us not tell him.

She rings me and flips out at me and tells me she'll now be excluding ds from everything.

Ds is heartbroken to have lost his best friend. (I'm really thinking it's a good thing, this kid is not being brought up in a way I want ds around. Unlimited access to you tube, has a cupboard full of sweets, fizzy drinks and chocolate that he has unrestricted access to, sexualising him from an early age, no bedtime etc etc. They're a very right wing family (think homosexuality is a sin, women are third class next to dogs etc).

DH is thrilled we no longer have to do any social activities with them. She was always a bit creepy hands on with Dh and her husband like wise with me Envy not envy.

She's also quite spiteful to me when she's drunk. She'll make nasty comments about me to Dh or friends.

A couple of people gave since said that they think I'm being cruel as I was her only friend. And she is a sweet and giving person when she doesn't drink. She'll give you the shirt off her back and when I had a miscarriage she was there for me.

Most people have said they just don't want anything to do with her though.

So I feel like I'm turning my back on someone that really needs me. She literally has nobody else. But I can't continue to have ds around this.

Sorry it was long and a bit of verbal diarrhoea, just wondered what others with some outside perspective thought.

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Spaghettijumper · 06/09/2018 14:05

Surely she's the one who's cut contact with you?

TBH I think you're not sensible to allow your DS to be with a family that is right wing, abuses alcohol and engages in violence. I think continuing to be friends would show bad judgement on your part. Fuck the people who think you should be her carer - if they're so concerned about her they can be on the receiving end of her homophobic nonsense.

OliviaBenson · 06/09/2018 14:07

As the daughter of an alcoholic parent, please report her too as it's a safeguarding matter, especially if she's picking them up drunk.

Gettingbackonmyfeet · 06/09/2018 14:09

I think ultimately you have to protect your DC you are absolutely right not to let DC there alone.

He will get over the change in his relationship with his friend but contact with this woman for him would be so damaging

For her to deliberately exclude him in retribution is not ok

She's not stable even remotely and you've done the right thing

If all those people saying you are mean were that bothered they can be her friend....but if course they want you to do it to assuage their guilt

Be strong you've done the right thing

Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:11

Well she sounded off about Dh. The first 10 minutes of the phone was her chatting about starting back at school stuff then she launched in a rant about how Dh had sent her a text telling her to 'fuck off'. This isn't true, I was with Dh when he wrote the text. She kept repeating herself and ranting.

Basically the first bit of the conversation she sounded sober and at some point whatever she'd drunk must of hit her because she went to slurring and stuttering. She can go from seeming fine to eyes rolling back in her head and staggering in seconds. I've never seen anything like it.

I'm pretty sure she knows she upset us but maybe isn't sure exactly what she done as I think she blacks out. Or she's embarrassed. Or both.

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FlubQueen · 06/09/2018 14:12

I've got a family member who is broadly similar to this. We don't let her have any unsupervised access to our kids on the rare occasions we see her.

Please tell the school about the drunk pickups and that the husband is violent towards his DC.

The people who are telling you what a shame it is can be friends with her themselves.

longwayoff · 06/09/2018 14:13

U need to ask? Shes a violent abusive drunk in a violent abusive family. Close your door to all of them.

Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:13

I've looked in to reporting them. My friend is a social worker and she said she'd advise to report for sure but sadly, considering what else is going on locally they probably won't even merit a visit.

Social services here on are their ass. There is a huge drug problem. There are babies and kids left to fend for themselves and knocking on strangers doors for food. (Not actually in our community but the same area for social workers. It's the States so a few social workers will span a huge area.)

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Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:15

He's just moved up to the big school now. The school he was in with ds were aware, his teacher actually spoke to me about it.

Now he's at big school and gets a bus nobody will even know if she's drinking all day. Which I suspect as we're coming in to winter and she has no work she will be Sad

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Aeroflotgirl · 06/09/2018 14:15

Like somebody said, you need to report her, as her child is not safe with her or dh.

I would be honest with her, sorry ds cannot come to yours as you have a drink problem and he won't be safe, sorry. You have every right to cut contact, because of her drinking, she is quite toxic and it is starting to cause problems in your family.

Those friends commenting about you being mean cutting her off, should become friends with her then.

NotTakenUsername · 06/09/2018 14:17

Op off topic slightly but it sounds like more than alcohol.

Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:22

@NotTakenUsername

I actually think it is just alcohol. I was a bit of a wild one myself in much younger years and think I'd know. She's pretty anti drugs too.

I don't know so much about alcoholism but know when it gets bad it can affect people in different ways.

She's also TINY and doesn't eat. That may explain it too. She is also under investigation for a heart condition and has an awful skin infection that covers her whole leg she's had for almost a year.

I feel so sorry for her, she really is the kindest person you could meet when she's not drunk.

I'm scared she's going to end up dead and I'd done nothing to help her.

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nothingchangesagain · 06/09/2018 14:26

I agree with the above poster in that it may not be just alcohol, probably some drugs involved

Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:27

I'm as sure as I can be there are no drugs.

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smallchanceofrain · 06/09/2018 14:29

"She's also started drinking in the mornings and picking up from school drunk.
Her husband can get violent when he drinks. Both towards her and their child.
...no way in hell am I leaving ds in the care of someone that loses all control by 6pm, sometimes earlier.."

It's completely reasonable for you not to want your child in the care of these people and to cut ties with them. I'm just taken aback that your community seems to think it's okay for this couple's child to be in their care.

I get that you're in the States OP but is there really no responsible authority who would step in to keep this poor child safe?

OliviaBenson · 06/09/2018 14:31

It doesn't matter that it's just alcohol or that SS are on their knees, you are making excuses. You need to report, anything else and you are complicit in condemning them to this life.

Tough words but having lived that childhood I despise anyone who just watched me and my siblings from a distance and did nothing.

NonaGrey · 06/09/2018 14:33

A couple of people gave since said that they think I'm being cruel as I was her only friend.

Those people can make the effort to become her friend then.

You first responsibility is to your child. She puts your child at risk, she deliberately upset your child, she deliberately undermines your parental authority.

I’d report her
I’d tell the school I’d reported her.
I would tell the school was wasn’t to get anywhere near my child, not in class, not in school trips, nowhere.

Your job is to protect your child.

RosiesYellowDress · 06/09/2018 14:33

picking up a 3/4 year old from Nursery a drunk wouldn’t go unnoticed by our teachers as they be able to smell fumes given our hand overs are not like when they bit older.

Or is this child not the only other kid in your DS year?

RosiesYellowDress · 06/09/2018 14:36

I’m lagging behind in posts.

He’s a much older kid. Then I would ring school and speak to them.

Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:40

I'm sure his teachers will have reported them. It's their legal duty to.

I will also report them though.

But, as I many people here have said when we've discussed it, the child is fed, clothed and has a roof over his head, they probably won't even get a visit.

Which is why I feel bad totally cutting contact. It's not like the UK where they'll be put on a watch list and get visits and parenting lessons, offers of addiction counselling.

My friend's a child social worker and her cases are children living in their own shit and being beaten. She's straight up told me that nothing will happen in this case.

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Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:41

He's just started at the big school so will be on a school bus now. No pick ups or drop offs.

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Woofmy · 06/09/2018 14:42

Sorry he's not much older, by big school I meant kindergarten which is at the big school not preschool iyswim

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JellyBaby666 · 06/09/2018 14:42

Please report her, for the safety of her children. If it's so unsafe you don't want your kids there, imagine what it must be like for their kids. Even if you think they won't do much, at least you'll know you did your best.

RockinHippy · 06/09/2018 14:45

Please report her & her DH to SS or similar

I was in a similar situation to yourself some years back. I did cut contact after totally inappropriate behaviour towards my DD. DDs friend was sadly then stopped from seeing us.

This was years ago, but very recently i had the girls GM contact me asking if I knew where they were. She'd cut all contact with her family as they were concerned for the kids & her behaviour & has since moved & they don't know where.

Hearing how these poor kids have turned out, no school to keep an eye, likely faked disability, housebound& no friends & the eldest now adult D.C. accused of child abuse as he became worried for his young siblings & now cut off too.

Nothing I regret more than not reporting her at the time, it just seemed such an awful thing to do, but it was rte right thing to do. These situations only get worse without help ☹️

deepsea · 06/09/2018 14:46

Report to the school and SS so you know you have done everything you can to protect their child.

Be nice and gentle about it, but cut contact stone dead, she is putting your child (and her own) at risk. There is not a chance she would be looking after a child of mine.

Continue to be polite to her but keep your distance from now on.

deepsea · 06/09/2018 14:46

And for gods sake call the police if you see her driving whilst drunk she could more than just herself in this condition.

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