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AIBU?

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MIL taking DS to a funeral

46 replies

Eminybob · 05/09/2018 05:51

More of a WWYD than an AIBU

DS has started reception this week on half days. Due to childcare DH and I have arranged some holidays, but MIL is helping us out by picking him up at lunchtime on Friday.
I’m incredibly grateful for this, it has really helped us.

However yesterday she told me that a friend of hers had died and the funeral is on Friday afternoon. She didn’t ask if we could find alternative childcare, she loves looking after DS and is always happy to help, but she did tell me she was going to take him to the funeral. She said she would just stand at the back of the church and not go to the wake afterwards.

I didn’t really say anything at the time, it’s taken a while to process in my pregnant brain, but I just don’t feel happy about this.

I don’t think a funeral is the right place for a 4 year old, he’s never been to one before, he’s recently started asking questions about death and when mummy and daddy are going to die Hmm and I am concerned that this may increase these questions and worries he has.

So AIBU to feel this way?
And WWYD? I know I can’t ask MIL not to go to the funeral, so should I just ask her not to have him that day and have to try and take emergency dependents leave (or DH to do this- it’s difficult for me as My work involves pre-booked customer meetings) Or just let her go with him because I’m just being daft?

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Eminybob · 05/09/2018 07:43

I think it’s very considerate of her to offer to stay at the back of the church and not attend the wake etc . You are very lucky to have her

I 100% agree with this. I know that she is doing what she thinks best in this situation and putting our needs above her own.

DH is going to sort something with work, he is going to call her today and ask her to pick ds and drop him off at his work where he can have a long lunch break with him.

Thanks for all the advice from everyone. I do agree that ds is probably robust enough to cope with a funeral, but I think it is something I would rather be there for for the first time to gauge his reaction, and also give MIL the opportunity to attend the funeral and pay her respects properly.

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KnotsInMay · 05/09/2018 07:43

SIL sounds a good solution .

I wouldn’t put it to your MIL that you don’t want him going to a funeral, tell her it’s too much to expect her to do childcare when it is her friends funeral. Maybe she could have Ds another time?

BluthsFrozenBananas · 05/09/2018 07:50

Looking at it from the other side, having been involved in organising several family funerals in past few years, if it was my loved ones funeral I wouldn’t be very happy if someone bought a random child along. It’s completely different to a child going to a family members funeral. at four he won’t be able to grasp the solemnly of the occasion, no matter how well behaved he is it’s a totally inappropriate thing to do.

fieryginger · 05/09/2018 07:56

My DS was 7 when his beloved GF died, his teacher said she thought he was too young to attend a funeral and he didn't go. I'm glad of it, he processed his death as well as could be expected.

Funerals are no place for 4 year olds. He might be noisy, as 4 year olds are. I agree she should go to her friends funeral though and would arrange alternative child care.

A bit of an odd question but could it be she loves GS so much that she wants to show him off to this circle of friends?

HelloToYou · 05/09/2018 08:00

I wouldn't let my 4 yr old DS go unless it was his own close relative like a grandparents funeral in which case we (his parents) would be there also.

She'd probably be grateful for you to arrange alternative childcare but didn't want to let you down.

CarolDanvers · 05/09/2018 08:02

Why didn't you say straight away that you'd find alternative care and of course she should be free to go to the funeral unencumbered and then go to the wake.

Does everyone always know what to say and do in every moment? Does everyone immediately assimilate unusual information and know exactly how to proceed? I know I don't. I'd have said "oh right" and then after thinking about it realised the potential difficulties. I thought that would be the same for most people actually.

Morethanthisprovincallife · 05/09/2018 08:03

It's very much parents call if small dc go to close family funerals.
Dd took a very long time to process grandparent funeral at 4.she really did. I wouldn't change her going but the funeral was short, sweet and very much geared to the kids present. But she kept mentioning it for a good year after, it clearly deeply affected her.
It's not something I would want to trigger in dc without it being neccsary.
I don't believe in laying heavy stuff on small dc

CluedoAddict · 05/09/2018 08:05

I have always taken my children to funerals. I don't see the problem.

Hadalifeonce · 05/09/2018 08:06

My cousin took her 2 DSs to her grandfather's funeral aged 3 and 5, they were absolutely OK during the service, then afterwards, back at the house, where there were several people who were telling funny anecdotes about their grandfather, they both had a great time, and stated that it was a good party.

Iwant2breakfree · 05/09/2018 08:08

Id say no. My mil tried to take my 1st child ON THEIR FIRST BIRTHDAY to one. And said i was acting crazy when i said no. She wanted to show baby off to the fanily. Funeral was 4 hrs away so i wouldnt see her at all. She said oh baby wont even remember birthday. I was livid

Eminybob · 05/09/2018 08:09

A bit of an odd question but could it be she loves GS so much that she wants to show him off to this circle of friends?

Ha bless her she does love to do this. She has been known to take him to “luncheon club” and WI meetings when she has looked after him before. I think the main reason is not wanting to let us down though.

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Rebecca36 · 05/09/2018 08:11

Agree with runsmidge on page 1, Your MIL intends to compromise by being at the back of the church to pay her respects and no more.

I can clearly remember not being taken to a close relative's funeral when I was little and felt very left out, couldn't understand why. Especially as all the 'grown ups' were whispering about it. There will be a lot of funerals in your little one's life and the idea of death will be far more scary if he is not accustomed to it just being a natural thing.

However if you can make alternative child care arrangements for Friday without too much trouble it would mean your mother in law can go to the entire funeral including wake if she wants to so it's up to you.

halcyondays · 05/09/2018 08:12

Could your dh take a half day on Friday so that MIL can go to both funeral and wake?

Lweji · 05/09/2018 08:13

You're doing the right thing.

I think children should be aware of death and not kept away from relatives' funerals.

But, it's different taking your own children to a funeral and to let someone else take them.
They will have questions and could be upset, so I'd want to be there, which, in this case, would make it unnecessary for them to go.

TittyGolightly · 05/09/2018 08:14

DD is 7 and has been to numerous funerals. I don’t believe in hiding death from children as it’s part of life, but I wouldn’t take her to the funeral of someone that wasn’t someone she was not close to as we wouldn’t be able to talk about that person as we do those we know well.

DD still refers to the funeral she went to at 4 as “great-grandma’s party”. It was such a celebration of her life and not at all dreary or depressing.

TittyGolightly · 05/09/2018 08:14

Lweji has it spot on.

SilverLining10 · 05/09/2018 08:14

Yanbu. I dont think its appropriate it all especially as you or dh wont be there to answer any questions he has or comfort him if he sees something upsetting. Your mil seems lovely so in sure if you are honest with her and tell her you are uncomfortable with this then she will understand.
This will also give you the opportunity to let her know that there are some things you might not be happy with.

DollyWilde · 05/09/2018 08:19

Whenever there are threads on here about taking little ones to funerals I’m usually the vocal “take them, death is part of life!” crew. On this one I totally agree with you he shouldn’t go.

  • He’ll be exhausted after first week at school
  • You’re not there to answer questions - as much as you love MIL the questions raised are yours to answer how you see fit
  • It’s not entirely fair on MIL as she can’t attend the service properly or attend the wake
  • You have alternative options in SIL
  • The deceased isn’t known to him, so there’s no value in them understanding they died

Hope all works out with SIL.

postcardsfrom · 05/09/2018 08:25

I’d let him go. D at his part of our world and seeing people sad or grieving for someone he doesn’t know isn’t going to traumatise him. He’ll remeber as much of it as he would going to a wedding service at this age. It’s not like he’s going to see a dead body.

smurfy2015 · 05/09/2018 09:16

I'm Irish for context, the wake is held for roughly 2 days at home before the funeral so family and friends are welcome to come and share their stories of the person and celebrate their life

I was taken to funerals even as a babe in arms, and my aunt was sexton of the local chapel and so even as a young child (say 3 or 4 upward) she had me helping her get ready for funerals. The coffin coming in, people being sad sometimes crying, getting the church already setting out things, arranging flowers and then fading into the background.. (i called it like hide and seek while still visible),

Before my DMs death, esp the 3 youngest grandchildren - the others were adults and could visit her in hospital at any point without the organisation 3 young children took as we knew it was an emotive visit and make sure had somebody out in hallway who could take any child for a walk if upset and help comfort them. We were lucky in one-way cos of the situation we were in, we had open-ended visiting times,
Which while tiring for her they helped her rally when no hope was in sight

In this case, going to their requiem mass and then to final resting place. (Wednesday evening around 8 pm and mass and burial at 11 am on Friday), friends sat up the 1st night and family the last night usually followed by a family and friends meal afterwards.

They were prepared that each visit they had, could be the last time they saw Granny X as she was very sick and in pain and was going to live in heaven and look over them and help them do good things and have no pain. She would miss all of us. At that point, they were 8, 4 and 18 months. That fluffy version helped them cope with other losses later on in their lives.

They attended the wake, overnighting in a friends house so it was easy, The youngest 3 passed around plates of sandwiches and biscuits and were generally fussed over.

A friend of mine who was a children's nurse who now works as a nurse trainer was impressed at how 18m was handling it, as people entered the room where DMS body he was over to grab their hands and take them to bedside (about 2 meters away) with the explanation of Granny (her name) has gone to be an angel, she is watching you, lets look at the ceiling and wave. He also kept hopping up on the bed so could see into the coffin and looking at a photo and then at his Granny, working out AWAY and HERE. Away - was how she was referred to for quite a while.

The approach worked for us as children can think of all sorts of things in their heads which are far worse than any reality.

Another example from my life, my dad died when I was between 5-10 years old. (being vague for MN) I knew he was sick, he had a “bad flu” that dragged on and on.

One day after school I was taken straight to mums friends house, I didn’t get home until nearly 12 pm that night and as I had fallen asleep I was put straight into bed in my brother's room, he was asleep too. I had previously voiced my concern that my dad was going to die. It was denied heavily. He died just after 2 am

The flu wasn’t flu, it was end-stage lung cancer so he didn’t get his goodnight kiss the night before (obviously a major factor) and one of his childhood friends told me he was gone for the “BIG sleep”, guess who had major sleeping problems for many years after, because I blamed myself when it was nothing to do with me in reality.

Another very close family member died several years (aforementioned aunt) after my dad, lessons were learned and I was informed what was happening each step of the way, not full details but the “fluffy” version, I was able to help practically and deal very well with this even though I had a very close bond with them,

So OP, like @TheSandgroper "never underestimate the ability of a toddler to confound you, behave well and make you proud" 100% true

I would let her take him OP, death doesn’t occur in convenient slots for funerals, let her take him to the wake too, however, bring something small to help keep him amused.

As the person isn’t someone he knows there isn’t the emotive aspect of it which there would be if someone in the family died and he would have to deal with emotionally charged atmosphere, plus your DM does get a small chance to show him off to her friends circle in that group which can lighten the mood especially at a wake

TwoOddSocks · 05/09/2018 09:18

In that situation I wouldn't really mind DS going to the funeral but I would probably find alternative childcare so MiL could attend the funeral properly.

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