Even if Brexit was a good idea, the way it’s being delivered is shit..

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Yes I know this will be moved...but it’s the biggest shift in our history since the Second World War.

The average age of the officials dealing with Brexit is 32, and over half the officials have left www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-officials-whitehall-department-no-deal-civil-servants-uk-eu-a8519361.html

That liar Boris Johnson is saying we can have our cake and eat it so he can be leader.

If we ar3 going to do this stupid thing at least give people time to do it properly.

Don't see anything wrong with average age being 32 - that will be because a large chunk of staff are fast streamers so recent graduates, which will drag the overall average down significantly. Turnover as it said in the article is likely to be because the posts weren't permanent, given that DExEU didn't exist previously and so staff had to be moved from elsewhere

I agree the delivery is a total shit show.

The average age of the officials is the least of our problems though.

It's more that we don't know what we want, haven't the least idea how to get it if we did, have made pretty much zero progress and time is running out and have resorted to throwing around doomsday scenarios that no sane person could ever have voted for.

Those who voted leave can't be happy with this execution? Can they?

Awfully delivered, yanbu

Those who voted leave (or at least the leave voter I spoke to yesterday) inexplicably believe the seventies were times of riches and glory for all and we'll magically go back there.

When asked if he thought we would re-open the mines he said, "I don't see why not."

He did say that launching the naval ships on the day we Brexit to become an empire again would be a "stupid idea."

In other words he didn't understand how the economy works or what he voted for so he sees no issue with the way Brexit is going. I know anecdote does not equal data but I am presuming most (or at least a sizable majority) think this way otherwise why aren't they up in arms about the lies they were told? Why aren't they trying to stop this madness?

I voted leave - am happy to leave. I am also a lifelong Tory (with the exception of 1997 when I voted the other way - never again).

But I think the way its being done is pile of shite. However I don't think Labour would have negotiated any better.

The problem is, actually, the remainers.

In any negotiation, you have to be prepared to walk away if you don't get what you want.

I'm self employed and have walked away from customers where their terms didn't match what I was prepared to accept. The point was, I had to be prepared to walk or the threat would have been pointless.

Europe knew from day one, the remoaners would not accept any inidication that the UK would be prepared to walk. And that is where we lost the negotiation on the first day.

Still not sure I've actually heard a leaver (politician or otherwise) offer up a solution though, just that they say current plans won't work.

Why are the remainers the problem?!?

I’m a staunch remainer but I’m not doing any negotiating myself!

It could never have been done well but it's even worse than I could have imagined.

It’s an utter shitshow and even if we do somehow manage not to go ahead with it the repercussions will still be felt for years to come.

It still just makes me so sad. It’s simply not the right thing. I hate it.

The problem is, actually, the remainers

Have my very first for this inspired piece of idiocy

Remainers are not the problem.

The problem is the lack of workable solutions. The problem is that no one has the balls to say, this isn't working. Let's revoke article 50, and maybe look at solving some of the issues before we vote to do it again? The problem is that no one has worked hard to tackle issues and now everything is rushed and desperate. The problem is that two years isn't enough. The problem is that there is no clear definition of what a national Brexit is, it's all open to definition.

But, yeah, ok, let's blame the remainers. The bastards.

"In any negotiation, you have to be prepared to walk away if you don't get what you want.

I'm self employed and have walked away from customers where their terms didn't match what I was prepared to accept. The point was, I had to be prepared to walk or the threat would have been pointless."

Could you explain how this is a sound business idea if:

a) your potential customer is just as happy to go to a rival firm instead

b) the rival firm has more clout and more resources than you

c) your customer have more to lose by rescinding trading deals that affect the whole of the rest of their business than they have from losing the trade with you

d) the credit of their whole business depends on not being seen doing underhand deals with you

e) it is unlikely that you would get any new workable contracts within the time you need to keep your business afloat.

???

Yep, remainers are the problem

As another self employed person, I am guessing you are mixing up 'know your worth' with 'cutting your nose off to spite your face.'

What I don't understand is that if four million people ( including me!) think it is vital we have a vote on the final Brexit deal,why can't the Independent newspaper online petition at change.org/ finalsay get a million supporters. Am I missing something??

woolythoughts (appropriate username by the way), are you by any chance self employed because you have so little sense that no one else wants to employ you?