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AIBU to be very concerned about some of the people that our political leaders are listening to? (Warning – includes reference to child sexual abuse)

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PimmsnLemonade · 26/08/2018 10:41

I’m going to try not to have this thread zapped so I am going to be fairly sparse on details and just stick to the information that has been published in newspapers etc.

This week David Challenor (also known as Baloo Challenor) was convicted of the horrific sexual abuse and torture of a 10 year old girl:

metro.co.uk/2018/08/23/paedophile-dressed-up-as-baby-and-raped-girl-10-in-torture-den-7873346/

David had a lot of other ‘interests’ which included the scout movement, children’s gymnastics, children’s charities etc – One of David’s keen interests was the Green Party, in particular promoting trans issues (including self-ID) both himself and through his daughter Aimee. Aimee is a transwoman (ie a male who identifies as being a woman) and David appears to identify most of the time as a man but as a woman/girl some of the time (e.g. during the above abuse David was wearing a dress and identifying as a six-year-old girl). This campaigning focuses on removing all safeguards on allowing men to identify as and legally become women and in allowing them access to women’s and girls’ spaces such as changing rooms, refuges, single sex dorms etc.

Aimee is the Equalities spokesperson for the Green Party, has been a parliamentary candidate and is currently running for Deputy Leader. Aimee is also a member of the Stonewall Trans Advisory Group, arguing for an end to single-sex protections for women and girls.

I’m not suggesting that Aimee was aware of the abuse going on in the attic but, as someone living in the house, Aimee would presumably have been interviewed by the police when David was charged so would have been aware of the charges – but continued to appoint him as their election agent as recently as May 2018, which I believe demonstrates a serious lack of judgement:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rising-greens-star-aimee-challenor-will-not-quit-over-rapist-father-kngjwc8l5?shareToken=5ffdb9ed49c3c5ff2bb53da043e2ccac

kualo.greenparty.org.uk/statements/

This comes hot on the heels of the revelations about Jess Bradley (a male who identifies as a non-binary woman). Jess was the founding director of Action for Trans Health, is the NUS’s transgender students officer and was one of the select group of people that Parliament’s Women and Equalities Committee chose to consult with on its Transgender Equality report. Jess argued for the removal of all safeguards in allowing men to identify as women and for the removal of all single sex exemptions (so that a male can access any single sex facilities or services just by saying he is a woman and that it would be illegal and discrimination to prevent him). The Committee failed to listen to the voices of women’s groups and other cautionary voices and accepted these recommendations wholesale, recommending them to the government.

Last month, despite the strongest efforts of a top legal firm (and I have to wonder who was paying for that??), the story broke that Jess was accused of exposing their penis (in various states of ‘excitement’) in public places such as train carriages, parks etc and then posting the photos in an ‘exhibitionism’ blog:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

There’s more to these stories than what I’m including here but I’m very conscious that a lot of threads get zapped and, certainly, Jess (and maybe David/Aimee?) have top lawyers trying to prevent information becoming public so I am sticking to information that has already appeared in the press.

AIBU to be concerned that some of the most influential people who have jumped on the trans/self-ID bandwagon are doing so for their own motivations and that our parliament and political parties have shown a spectacular lack of judgement in not considering the safeguarding of women and girls and only listening to one lobby, which attempts to silence all dissenters?

And, no, wringing your hands and condemning abuse after it has happened and been exposed is not ‘safeguarding’. Safeguarding means taking women’s and girls’ concerns seriously in the first place and taking steps to prevent abuse from happening.

OP posts:
ZeroFuchsiasGiven · 26/08/2018 11:18

Well said.

BeUpStanding · 26/08/2018 11:20

YANBU at all

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 26/08/2018 11:22

Excellent post. The GP response has been very inadequate and it's horrifying that the media are not all over this.

LangCleg · 26/08/2018 11:23

YANBU

catgirl1976 · 26/08/2018 11:27

YANBU at all.

The silencing and lack of reporting on this is sinister.

The fact that these people are advising schools and youth organisations is even more so.

SeekingClosure · 26/08/2018 11:27

Excellent post. It's terrifying that some people are refusing to acknowledge what's going on.

catgirl1976 · 26/08/2018 11:28

Oh - and the Green Party's response was woefully inadequate and actually offensive.

Theswaggyotter · 26/08/2018 11:36

I totally agree. The Green Party response is shameful, describing rape and torture of a 10 year old girl as ‘gender based violence’ and seemingly more concerned about supporting Aimee than the young victim.
Complete silence from the BBC and many other news outlets so far. Only the Times has linked this paedophile to the Green Party. Also links to the Scouts.
This man was previously jailed for abuse of animals in his care and banned for life from looking after animals. His 3 children were taken into care. Despite this he seemed to have created a ‘pillar of the community’ persona.
The abuse took place in the house he shared with Aimee which was also listed and the Green Party Coventry HQ
I simply can’t believe that Aimee knew nothing of the serious charges brought against her father, who notably was also her campaign manager. The Green Party are morally bankrupt and unless they act now are completely finished in this country. Who would ever vote for them now?

SorryAuntLydia · 26/08/2018 11:36

YANBU
And shame on the BBC and some other media outlets for failing to report the disgusting Challenor case and conviction.

Mrbatmun · 26/08/2018 11:48

YANBU

NewUserNameTime · 26/08/2018 11:48

YANBU

It's very concerning that the media are not reporting this freely. Or rather that all media are not reporting it

RibbityNoo · 26/08/2018 11:56

Scouting uk have a much bigger problem since the actual convicted person was an assistant scout leader according to the Times article.

The determination of some posters to make this all about his daughter and her trans status and political activities, whilst giving a scanty mention now and again to the actual convicted paedophile being an actual assistant scout leader is revealing if their own agenda and obsession with discrediting trans people.

How come none of the posters so concerned about safeguarding children have been hunting down and vilifying a scouting uk statement, or protesting about the press coverage not crucifying the scouting organisation?

catgirl1976 · 26/08/2018 11:58

I have mentioned my concerns about Scouting on another thread.

I don't understand how someone who had their children removed and presumably on a risk register could be involved with Scouting.

BeyondRadicalisationPortal · 26/08/2018 11:59

Yanbu. Won't elaborate though as I don't want the thread deleted. This needs to be seen.

PavlovianLunge · 26/08/2018 12:15

The depravity is shocking, that poor child, what she has gone through is unimaginable. The perpetrator should stay behind bars until he’s no longer a threat to children (i.e. when he’s dead) while the Greens and Scouting UK should be taking a long, critical look at themselves.

SouthWestmom · 26/08/2018 12:22

Recruitment procedures for volunteers and staff look at convictions not civil actions - if he didn't mention the children in care I don't think the scouting association could be aware of it.

TanteRose · 26/08/2018 12:28

YANBU
this has shocked me so much Sad

Mrsr8 · 26/08/2018 12:29

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MissusGeneHunt · 26/08/2018 12:30

Yet another political party I can't and won't vote for now.

TerfsUp · 26/08/2018 12:30

YANBU.

David Challoner also called the victim a fantasist and liar.

ChampagneCommunist · 26/08/2018 12:32

Thank you for a clear and factual post OP.

Destinysdaughter · 26/08/2018 12:34

Well said OP, this is truly concerning. Apparently the comments beneath the Times article have since been deleted. More silencing of facts, truth and women’s voices.

justnotgoodenough · 26/08/2018 12:35

Very frightening and disturbing indeed. I'm probably going to sound naive or stupid, but I don't get why it's not being widely reported, nor why the green party is dealing with it so poorly.

Just seems that there's no one and nothing to believe in these days.

BraveAndStunning · 26/08/2018 12:44

Lisa Muggeridge - well worth watching

BoreOfWhabylon · 26/08/2018 13:06

YANBU.