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IAmNotAWitch · 25/08/2018 03:24

We sacrificed those people to make a point to others.

It worked, but the price is in my opinion too high.

Because it worked most Australians are willing to close their eyes and not own up to what we did.

nocoolnamesleft · 25/08/2018 03:30

www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/drive/former-nauru-doctor-on-the-growing-child-health-crisis-in-offsh/10157252

I know Dr Martin. He's ex-military, and the last person to be a bleeding heart liberal. He's running himself ragged trying to get word out there.

MozzieMagnet · 25/08/2018 03:41

Listened to the 6 minute interview with him thanks cool. Cake Brew Bloody heartbreaking situation.

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Grinspoon · 25/08/2018 03:51

It is a horrible situation that is kept out of sight and out of mind for too many. Bipartisan support for this policy - both major parties signed up for this. And the politicians wonder why they keep getting hung parliaments at every election.

echt · 25/08/2018 04:02

I live in Australia. I don't know one single Australian who thinks this is less than inhumane to the last degree, and a stain on the country's standing in the world.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 25/08/2018 04:26

Successive Australian Prime Ministers had led a race to the bottom trying to attract the conservative vote.

The beginning was probably the Tampa Affair:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_affair

After that was the political crisis called Children Overboard, where the then PM falsely claimed, in order to turn public opinion against asylum seekers, that people arriving on an unauthorised ship had threatened to throw their children overboard.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Overboard_affair

The people on Nauru are not illegal immigrants, they are asylum seekers, protected by international agreements. That's important to remember. Not that the treatment would be any more ethical if they were illegal immigrants. But governments have consistently called them illegal in order to convince the public that these people were doing something wrong.

Government catered to xenophobia by making a huge production of "stopping the boats", ostensibly on the grounds of stopping people smugglers. Many people died on over-crowded, unsafe boats, so stopping people smugglers wasn't necessarily a bad idea.

Except that in order to achieve that, Australia decreed that no refugee arriving by boat would be resettled in Australia, or even set foot on Australia.

Hence the misnomer of "off-shore" processing. Basically this means marooning people on Nauru or Papua with little in the way of facilities, health care, mental health care, or, more crucially, hope.

Australia refused to resettle them, the only options were to return to the places they fled from or stay stateless. There were a couple of resettlement attempts in Cambodia. NZ offered to take them, but were refused.

After a long campaign and public pressure, some women and children were brought to Australia, but the rest languish. There have been suicides, hunger strikes, people self-harming, harming others, dying from infection.

It is an awful, unforgivable violation of human rights. Australia has been condemned by the UN, but the current government has no appetite for changing the policy. Australia's new PM was an architect of off-shore processing, so things are not likely to change for the better.

Refuges have added immeasurably to Australia's civic and economic life over that last couple of hundred years. To subject people who are guilty of nothing more than being unable to safely in their own countries to such cruelty is a terrible thing.

There's more, from the role of multinational security companies to the complete lack of transparency in government processes, but you get the gist.

MyOtherProfile · 25/08/2018 04:29

Never heard of this before. Shocking.

LadyCassandra · 25/08/2018 04:48

It’s a disgrace. The right wing media have helped the rhetoric. The new PM will not change anything.

StUmbrageinSkelt · 25/08/2018 04:59

Morrison is likely to make it even worse. It is an appalling situation. Our OT works on Nauru and says what is in the media is nowhere near the truth of just how bad it is.

It's deeply unsettling that both major parties support the offshore camps. We need a politician who will grow a spine and close them.

I don't know anyone who supports the camps either. Not in my name.

Nodnol · 25/08/2018 05:41

It is beyond disgusting. Every other Australian I know is as sick about this as I am. Sadly there is a faction of Australians that believe what successive governments feed them. I am ashamed to be Australian and this is not done in my name.

Great post @DancelikeEmmaGoldman

bluetongue · 25/08/2018 05:41

I don’t know what the answer is. While the situation in Nauru is terrible the current situation in Europe with areas in the Mediterranean flooded with refugees / migrants is hardly ideal either. Some will call for open borders but that would lead to chaos and IMO helps no one.

The only thing I know for sure is that I’m greatful for the luck of being born in a peaceful and affluent country.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 25/08/2018 05:49

There is such strong "anti-immigrant" feeling here still.

This story happened recently - in our area, there was a kidnap and sexual assault of a young girl. Then there were a few sightings of vans following school children, and cars with adults trying to entice children into them.
A mother I know had this happen to her son - a woman and a man in a car offered him some "lollies" - he refused to get anywhere near them and ran to his mum. She's an anxious sort and was extremely upset, obviously - but that is ZERO excuse for her next comment to me while she was telling me about this:
"Of course, this has been getting worse and worse, and I hate to say it but I blame the increase in immigrants, all the Somalis and so on".
I said to her "but all the people who have done these things have been white, not African, not Muslim, probably not even immigrants - how can you possibly say that this is because of them?!"
She had no answer to this but her instant reaction was to blame immigrants of colour, and I would imagine that she still does, despite the complete illogicality of it.

So much dislike of the foreigner here UNLESS you're white European/Caucasian. I keep reminding people that I'm an immigrant too but apparently "that's different". Hmm

I don't at all support the camps.
I don't support the suggestion that aid to foreign countries should stop because our NSW farmers currently need a huge amount of help from the government to save them all from going out of business during the drought we're in.
I don't think that the top priority of this country should be to "stop the boats".

But enough people do think that way to allow this to keep happening :(

IAmNotAWitch · 25/08/2018 06:04

I too don't know what the answer is.

If "Operation Sovereign Borders" has reduced the number of people drowning off the coast then objectively it may have been 'worth' it.

However, these are people and not objective numbers and I struggle with that.

I live in Western Sydney and there are plenty of people who support the Government in this, many many of whom are NOT white Australians but immigrants themselves who very much have an "I'm in, now shut the door after me" attitude.

The whole world is a great big fucked up mess. Always has been, always will be. I am selfish enough to want to protect and preserve what I can for my children. Flip side is, I can see why you would be a refugee and do what you could to get your kids to safety.

Round and around I go...

CoalTit · 25/08/2018 06:29

@bluetongue
Australia was very keen to align itself with the US when it invaded countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan and destroyed infrastructure, lives and economies, thus creating lots and lots and lots of refugees
Your own life might be peaceful but you do not live in a peaceful country.
And now international law requires Australia to deal with a tiny share of the problem, which is that war creates refugees.

BarnabyBungle · 25/08/2018 06:54

What is happening on Nauru is appalling, and an ugly stain on Australia.

I’m 100% confident that future generations of Australians will condemn this one for allowing this to occur.

Banana8080 · 25/08/2018 08:20

How about take in the refugees and settle them?

worridmum · 25/08/2018 08:43

Ha the Australian government is just doing what it normally does. Please research how they treated the aboriginals and no i dont mean historically but recent history they only stopped these almost nazi like treatmeant in the 70s.

But honesty most ex colonial countries treat there natives poorly Canada is in fact worse then the USA for how they treat the first nations. And the US dont treat them well and these are their own citizens.

justsobloodysad · 25/08/2018 09:19

Outrageous that they turned down NZ's offer to resettle them.

Weedsnseeds1 · 25/08/2018 11:12

I just asked OH, who's a dual national about this. His response " Australia's embarrassment? It's a concentration camp in all but name".
Justsobloodysad Australia wouldn't let NZ take them because as NZ citizens, they would have an automatic right to reside and work in Australia.

justsobloodysad · 25/08/2018 11:28

I know the 'reasoning' but it's still outrageous and inhumane.

Weedsnseeds1 · 25/08/2018 11:33

I agree

BarnabyBungle · 25/08/2018 13:42

It’s appallkng that a ‘liberal democracy’ can do this... What’s the best way to raise the profile of this atrocity?

heartsease68 · 25/08/2018 13:57

Is the new PM likely to change things? He's supposed to be running on a family values ticket isn't he?

BarnabyBungle · 25/08/2018 14:04

Australia used to conjure images of relaxed place with beautiful beaches and hot weather.... Now if I’m honest the first thing that comes to mind is a cold-hearted, selfish Nation

meditrina · 25/08/2018 14:13

The issue has been going on for longer than Nauru had been the venue for the camps.

Many Vietnamese boat people ended up in similar camps, living there for years (in variable conditions, depending on location of camp) before forced repatriation.

So as a policy, it doesn't seem to have worked in the sense of reducing the number of migrants (whether illegal immigrants or genuine refugees)

And the conditions are appalling