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To think it's OK to feed bread to ducks/swans/geese

111 replies

GerdaLovesLili · 24/08/2018 20:16

Our local parks have slowly been putting up signs that suggest that the wild fowl are actively harmed by feeding them bread.

It means that feeding them is no longer a cheap activity.

However the Swan Sanctuary have put out a statement to say this isn't true, and "We strongly disagree with the idea that the campaign will improve the health of swans and other waterfowl. In fact, we believe it could actually have a detrimental effect on the waterfowl. The Sanctuary has evidence that when people stop feeding bread, to the birds, they quite often stop completely rather than substitute the bread with an alternative."

The full statement can be read here: www.theswansanctuary.org.uk/cause/swan-sanctuary-statement-ban-bread-campaign/

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DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 24/08/2018 21:04

If the bread is stale it may contain mould and some moulds are fatal to ducks.
Oats, pearl barley, sweetcorn etc are as cheap as bread if not cheaper and much safer.

Thelastredwinegum · 24/08/2018 21:05

Our local nature reserve will swap bread for bird food (they even come out and tell you if they spot people throwing bread) so it doesn't always cost more.

To those saying the birds turn their beaks up at the healthy options for bread. Well if a group of people were throwing me oats, and another were throwing chocola, I know what I'd go for... it doesn't mean I should though Hmm

didyouseetheflaresinthesky · 24/08/2018 21:11

They bloody love cornflakes. Although I fed one malaysian noodles once when it chased me for them. I thought it was going to eat ME! I was minding my own bloody business, taking my dinner home and this flaming great goose followed me, honking away until I stopped and gave it a few noodles then legged it while it was still figuring out how to eat them

Processedpea · 24/08/2018 21:12

The ducks do love their bread and have done for years and years can someone link the evidence against this ?

The Hmm and common comments are ridiculous btw

DiegoMadonna · 24/08/2018 21:14

The Ban the Bread thing was a study undertaken by a marketing company designed to sell enormously expensive food pellets

OP, I read the swan sanctuary statement. The problem is that I can't find any evidence of your above comment (especially given that the drive to discourage feeding bread isn't really attributed to any one study).

The RSPB itself says not to feed bread to ducks. So does the US humane society. I highly doubt they're basing that on one biased study performed by a bird pellet manufacturer. I mean, the suggested replacements are peas, oats, and seeds, not bird pellets!

So yes, the swan sanctuary believes that feeding bread is better than feeding nothing (which is a bit misleading because nobody here is suggesting we feed them nothing), but many other wildlife organisations are telling us that oats and seeds are better. Why would they lie? Their job is to protect the birds!

SecretWitch · 24/08/2018 21:17

Animals don’t live on this earth to amuse humans. Stop doing something you know is harmful to ducks/geese health.

Whatsthisbear · 24/08/2018 21:17

Yes OP saw your link but

www.thespruce.com/is-feeding-ducks-bread-bad-386564

Laiste · 24/08/2018 21:22

For something to do i've c&p'd what the Swan Sanctuary says in full.

The Swan Sanctuary’s response to Pets Choice campaign – Ban the Bread.

- In recent years there has been increased talk about how feeding bread is bad for swans and other wildfowl. It is an example of the old adage, “A lie can travel half way around the world before the truth gets it boots on”.

- We strongly disagree with the idea that the campaign will improve the health of swans and other waterfowl. In fact, we believe it could actually have a detrimental effect on the waterfowl. The Sanctuary has evidence that when people stop feeding bread, to the birds, they quite often stop completely rather than substitute the bread with an alternative.

- We use bread as part of a varied and healthy diet and it is often the first food swans recognise and consume when sick or injured. It is offensive to suggest that we would feed the swans that we devote our lives to rescuing and protecting, with a food source that would make them ill.

- When the local BTO ringer, ringed and weighed swans in several flocks, in 2017, on the Thames and on a London Canal, he noticed that the majority of the juvenile swans were underweight. He attributed this to the decline in feeding in these areas. Interestingly, the BTO ringer in our area always uses bread for catching the swans and has no concerns about it being fed.

- Life is very difficult for juvenile swans when they first leave their families and they may fly for several miles (often landing in other pairs’ territories) before finding a flock. They use an immense amount of energy making these flights and are often dependent on people supplementing their natural diet, especially in harsh weather conditions.

- Our vet has been unable to find any scientific evidence to support the theory that bread is bad for birds. We are keen to have sight of the paper that evidences this. The ‘Ban the Bread’ campaign is not based on scientific research. The email sent to us inviting us to join the campaign is full of factual inaccuracies.

- Most worryingly, the campaigners use another swan charity to quote in their argument that they:

‘work very closely with the British Trust for Ornithology and The Royal Veterinary College, and always investigate scientifically when a swan dies in unexplained circumstances. Their findings show that human foods such as bread are the source of many health issues and death.’

This is untrue and not information received from the RVC.

- The Swan Sanctuary Vet has been in direct contact with the RVC who confirm they have been carrying out diagnostic postmortems on swans which have died in unclear circumstances, none of which related to the feeding of bread. No research has been done regarding swan mortality associated with human food feeding. The RVC were not happy to have been referenced in such a way.

- In our opinion the ‘Ban the Bread’ campaign is flawed and biased. The driving force behind this campaign works for Pets Choice and was quoted as saying ‘looks after’ a brand called Wild Things which manufactures swan and duck pellets. We doubt that many people can afford to replace a 60p loaf of bread with a 1.5kg bag of swan pellets that cost £7.00. However, we would like to stress that in no way are we suggesting that members of the public should not feed swan and duck pellets to the swans. They are a good supplementary feed – as is bread and like all feed products they should be free of contamination such as mould.

- Our views and concerns at The Swan Sanctuary are supported by Yorkshire Swan Sanctuary and Swan Support. Please note that more swans pass through the care of these three swan charities than any other rescue centres in the country.

- There are references made to bread polluting the water. It is certainly not sensible for members of the public to throw slices of bread on to water if it is not being eaten. However, even in these extreme circumstances, bread is not classed as a significant contributory factor to water pollution. Discarded oil is by far the biggest contributor of pollution on our waterways and educating the public to be vigilant when discarding oil would be far more beneficial to our swans, geese and ducks.

- The Swan Sanctuary cares for swans that have become oiled, due to pollution. We also care for swans that have been subject to vandalism – shooting swans are on the increase. Fishing tackle injuries and dog attacks are also common reasons for swans to be admitted into our care. We are yet to admit a swan that has eaten too much bread!

- The original initiative to try to stop the public from feeding bread was led by the Canal and River Trust. They used a market research company rather than scientific research. In our opinion, there are far better ways for a charity that is concerned about waterfowl to spend their donations – the obvious choice being pollution which is evident on almost every river and canal.

- Bread has been fed, in moderation, for hundreds of years with no evidence of ill effect – it is only a very recent, albeit false, perception that bread is harmful to waterfowl.

- Interestingly, if you go to the Canal and River Trust website, there is a short video that has an expert angler explaining how to fish with bread as bait.

It seems they really do feel bread's not that bad. Confused now i must admit ...

rainbowsandsmiles · 24/08/2018 21:23

The RSPB itself says not to feed bread to ducks.

It does - our local nature reserve where we feed ducks is an RSPB one. They have a sign up saying it's not good to feed the ducks bread and that it makes them poorly and can people give seeds instead of giving bread.

rainbowsandsmiles · 24/08/2018 21:26

The Sanctuary has evidence that when people stop feeding bread, to the birds, they quite often stop completely rather than substitute the bread with an alternative.

Yeah, in plain terms and is evident from some on this thread - it's not the giving of seed etc that is detrimental to the birds/swans, it's the attitude if we can't feed them bread then why should we bother feeding them at all.

DiegoMadonna · 24/08/2018 21:28

A few things to note, Laiste

We use bread as part of a varied and healthy diet

irrelevant to the discussion on birds being fed almost solely bread at the park

he noticed that the majority of the juvenile swans were underweight. He attributed this to the decline in feeding in these areas

Not a decline in feeding bread, but a decline in feeding, full stop. Well duh.

The Sanctuary has evidence that when people stop feeding bread, to the birds, they quite often stop completely rather than substitute the bread with an alternative

Again, this is not a supporting argument for continuing to feed solely bread. It is an argument for feeding in general, but doing so with healthier foods would be the most ideal.

MindatWork · 24/08/2018 21:33

A lot of that (very long) statement is conjecture though.

‘We have evidence’ - what evidence & where from? Their BTO ringer ‘came to the conclusion’ that underweight swans were a result of under feeding - how?

They have a pop about expensive swan pellets but don’t mention the many other cheap alternatives like oats and bird seed.

The whole statement sounds like it’s wrotten by someone with a chip on their shoulder about something

worridmum · 24/08/2018 21:38

People used to beat children to a inch of their lives humans have not gone extinct so why should we ban psychical punishment of children a bunch of do gooders....

Processedpea · 24/08/2018 21:41

Lol only on mumsnet

worridmum · 24/08/2018 21:41

(i was not being serious about beating of children just pointing out how stupid that agurement was)

PirateMermaid · 24/08/2018 21:46

My DD used to love feeding the ducks. Then I read bread was bad and went peas and sweetcorn. They ignored it. Another family turned up with bread and go swarmed.

The next time I brought a bag of pellets, specially designed and sold for ducks. They ignored that too.

We stopped going but my DS would love it. I just have no idea what to feed them! The birds at our park are fussy as hell!

Laiste · 24/08/2018 21:47

I've no strong feeling either way - just interested. I agree that saying 'bread is better than nothing' is not the same as saying 'bread is ok', however - this:

Bread has been fed, in moderation, for hundreds of years with no evidence of ill effect – it is only a very recent, albeit false, perception that bread is harmful to waterfowl.

and this bit

Our vet has been unable to find any scientific evidence to support the theory that bread is bad for birds. We are keen to have sight of the paper that evidences this. The ‘Ban the Bread’ campaign is not based on scientific research.

sound quite unambiguous to me.

PirateMermaid · 24/08/2018 21:47

Oh we tried oats too. Not interested!

BlueBug45 · 24/08/2018 21:48

Over the years* I've fed birds chips, crisps, bread, biscuits, crackers and Bombay mix. In fact I had a line of Canada geese following me for rich tea biscuit. So like humans they prefer junk food to healthly food.

*Ok mainly as a teenager.

Laiste · 24/08/2018 21:51

I had a line of Canada geese following me for rich tea biscuit.

I was once physically assaulted by a peacock on brownsea island for a cherry tomato ShockGrin

BlueBug45 · 24/08/2018 21:55

@Laiste at least the peacock was a health freak. Smile

ginghamstarfish · 24/08/2018 22:44

Used to have ducks visit my garden, and turns out they loved beansprouts! Might be nice for kids to grow the beansprouts( very cheap and easy) then take them to the ducks.

SlartiAardvark · 24/08/2018 22:52

It obviously did them no harm for the decades they were fed bread, I'd quite happily take the kids down to throw some crusts in.....

TedAndLola · 24/08/2018 22:57

That statement from the Swan Sanctuary is ridiculous for so many reasons, especially "we're offended that you'd suggest something we do is bad!" and "there is no evidence that bread is bad because we say there isn't, even though we haven't done any research but are pretty sure this has been going on for hundreds of years and it's fine!"

Jesus.

DiegoMadonna · 24/08/2018 23:54

It obviously did them no harm for the decades they were fed bread

How is that obvious?