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AIBU to find these traditional Thanksgiving dishes a bit much?

133 replies

longwayoff · 22/08/2018 14:23

I spotted a recipe on Sunday for a 'modernised' green bean casserole. The original is green beans, can of mushroom soup poured over them, into oven for 30 mins, top with crispy onion rings. This is served with the Thanksgiving turkey alongside sweet potato pie topped with toasted marshmallows and other less weird things like stuffing and potatoes. How on earth can these have become traditional family favourites? Convince me someone.

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ShinyMe · 22/08/2018 22:55

I've had overwhelmingly superb food in the US. Yes, some people (just like everywhere else) can't or don't cook. Yes, there are some things that are sweeter than we'd have in the UK. Yes, there is a lot of processed food if you look in the right/wrong places. But there is also a huge amount of excellent fresh food in the right areas - fish, seafood, meat, veg. My overall impression of American food is very high.

longwayoff · 22/08/2018 23:17

I've just looked at some recipes for double baked mash which I imagine is delicious but that's a lot of content. Spuds, cream, cream cheese, cheddar, butter ...

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SenecaFalls · 22/08/2018 23:34

USA macaroni cheese involves fluorescent orange powder

I beg to differ. Macaroni and cheese is a traditional Southern dish for Thanksgiving, especially among African Americans. The following has nothing to do with orange powder.

www.saveur.com/article/Recipes/Southern-Style-Macaroni-and-Cheese

TomPinch · 23/08/2018 00:40

Just in the interests of offending everyone equally, I'm from NZ where the food has traditionally been Best of British bland, and now is increasingly American health-hazard.

Why can't America export its best food traditions rather than junk food, GM veg, and cruelty to farm animals?

Stupomax · 23/08/2018 00:50

Why can't America export its best food traditions rather than junk food, GM veg, and cruelty to farm animals?

I find it baffling that other countries choose to import Hersheys over Ghirardhelli but there's no accounting for taste.

SecretWitch · 23/08/2018 01:00

I can assure you that no more Americans mix can x with can y and call it cooking than the British do. As a matter of fact, I’ve lived in the US for thirty years and have never served anything from a can. What weird and foolish ideas people have about other countries..
Our Thanksgiving consists of a farm butchered turkey (picked up the day before) Twice mashed potatoes, rye bread from our local bakery, large green salad, home made cranberry sauce and my MIL’s stuffing. We serve Dutch apple pie and Boston cream pie for dessert.

TomPinch · 23/08/2018 02:03

Stupomax,

I expect Ghirardhelli lacks my aforementioned third ingredient: aggressive marketing. What's their budget compared to Hersheys?

Stimmyplip · 23/08/2018 02:15

I don't know one person that cooks like that.

In fact most people I know make their own bread, raise their own meat, grow their own veg.

We can or freeze our home grown fruit and veg for the winter.

We make our own maple syrup and catch our own fish and shellfish.

Americans I know are much more hands on with their food, the though of buying a microwave meal should horrify most people I know!

midgesforever · 23/08/2018 02:43

There is no real sling and ping food in the US, or the stuff there is is frozen and pretty terrible. The supermarkets round us have lots of cooked food self service counters. Food I. Supermarkets aren't as good as the UK, apart from having bars and piano jazz players.

Stimmyplip · 23/08/2018 02:52

I'm sorry? Bars and jazz players? Not in bloody Maine we don't. GrinGrinGrin

midgesforever · 23/08/2018 02:54

Be fair though, I have no home grown anything and no one is hands on with their food, growing my own chillis outside is thought weird!

Stupomax · 23/08/2018 03:01

I expect Ghirardhelli lacks my aforementioned third ingredient: aggressive marketing. What's their budget compared to Hersheys?

No idea about budgets, but I work on a food magazine for chefs in the US and Ghirardhelli advertises heavily with us whereas Hersheys does not.

Graphista · 23/08/2018 03:15

The different cuisines of different countries/cultures fascinates me!

As a veggie I of course won't eat meat but otherwise happy to try whatever's going! (And I wonder why I'm fat! 😂)

I'm scots of Irish descent myself, yet still found it amazing just how many different ways Germans have found to prepare potatoes! My favourite I forget the name but it's sliced parboiled potatoes then baked in a strong garlic and herb cream sauce in the oven - yum! They use garlic in a lot of dishes!

I've yet to try many American dishes I should give them a whirl.

Watching masterchef junior recently I was surprised to learn that the waffles eaten with chicken are sweet! The sweet and savoury combo thing I'm not sure I'd like.

Think I'd like the green bean casserole though.

American relatives who came over once and stayed with other relatives were bewildered by Christmas pudding (it's the dad that's scots and he's not really one to cook).

Baked beans are a weird one, based originally on Boston baked beans yet now barely recognisable as a related item.

Was watching the last "inside the factory" which was on curry sauce - only to learn "curry" as a concept is an English/western thing that Asians would never say they're "eating curry" but that they were eating "jalfrezi" or whatever. Down to a misunderstanding as many of these things are. On that note it was weird to me that "Indian" food in other countries is different to "Indian" food in the uk - because the restaurateurs tweak to the tastes of the customers they're selling to - obvious really but I didn't realise until I went to live in Europe as an adult. Generally speaking in Germany more tomato and garlic, Netherlands like it spicier, Belgians like creamier, Brits like milder but more pungent flavours - just what I noticed.

Watergate salad - how on EARTH can that be described as a salad?! Much more a pudding/dessert.

"And she'd be the first to say that US food tastes/habits can vary enormously according to area and to put it bluntly, levels of education finances/social class.
I dare say the latter is largely true of the UK, too." It is - but usually in a slightly converse way ie poor tend to cook from scratch as it's cheaper than convenience foods, unless you're really poor (eg relying on food banks. Watching the energy use by the penny) then there tends to be higher use of very cheap poor quality convenience foods.

As a Scot I'm well used to the disgusted faces at the idea of haggis. While as a veggie I no longer eat the meat version I did used to enjoy it and still love a veggie version as its really the spices that make it. My English omni exh wasn't initially keen until my mum served him it without telling him exactly what it was, she just said a local meat dish quite spicy and she knew he liked spicy food. He LOVED it and thereafter encouraged friends, family and colleagues to at least try it.

People are too quick to decide they won't like something without even trying it.

As I said aside from the veggie aspect I'll try anything. So far the only things I've found I don't like are actually fairly boring - Brussels sprouts (and believe me I've tried them in ALL kinds of recipes and cooked different ways etc) and radishes.

When I was living in Germany loads of people said I'd struggle with the veggie thing - not at all! Umpteen potato dishes (filling) and wonderful ways with all sorts of other vegetables, veg casseroles & stews, veg pies and tarts...

Op - my mum makes home made mac cheese in the slow cooker. Has for many years. Yes, dried pasta but otherwise all from scratch, caramelised onions, with garlic and herbs in the base, pasta added then home made strong cheddar sauce. Not sure how long she cooks it exactly but on low several hours, then finishes it off with a mix of grated cheese and breadcrumbs sprinkled on top and grilled until golden brown and bubbly - lush!

Ihuntmonsters - peas are one of the things my dad used to grow. Fresh peas are way nicer than even quickly frozen high quality bought peas which are the next best.

As for what American food crosses to other countries it's less an export issue than an import one I'd have thought - as in what becomes well known/successful does so because people buy it.

nocoolnamesleft · 23/08/2018 03:24

Last time I was in the US I had some amazing food. The venison casserole, venison and corn soup, wild rice, mixed squashes, and fried corn bread (oh my god, the corn bread) were awesome. Though you may have guessed that this was staying with a group who would have rather mixed feelings about a thanksgiving dinner....

AgathaRaisonDetra · 23/08/2018 04:16

A Ginsters pasty with squirty cream on top. Heaven.

PollyFlinderz · 23/08/2018 04:24

It is a bit like cooking with stock -- the "cream of whatever" everyone's vilifying is just stock (chicken, veg, beef) with some cream & flour

Using a tin of soup in a recipe is nothing like cooking with stock and a few additions.

Even with the mythical MN chicken being a thing I doubt every naysayer is doing their own stock every week

I make my own stock and batch cook it to freeze because I love cooking and I make sure I always have certain ingredients to hand.

PollyFlinderz · 23/08/2018 04:26

What weird and foolish ideas people have about other countries

The recipes using tinned soup as a base are very easy to find online. Too easy actually.

bridgetreilly · 23/08/2018 07:25

I can assure you that no more Americans mix can x with can y and call it cooking than the British do.

There is a whole TV show in the US called Semi-Homemade Food.

Of course it's not everyone, of course there are regional/class/individual variations. But I cannot imagine that TV show getting commissioned here.

bridgetreilly · 23/08/2018 07:29

Traditional British bread sauce is awful. Does anyone actually like it?

Yes, I do, and I'm sad that you hardly ever seem to get it these days. The stuff made from packets is, of course, awful, but Delia's recipe is excellent.

PollyFlinderz · 23/08/2018 07:33

but Delia's recipe is excellent

thats the one I use.

longwayoff · 23/08/2018 08:15

Delia is a kitchen goddess in UK. Any American fans?

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toomanychilder · 23/08/2018 11:05

I can assure you that no more Americans mix can x with can y and call it cooking than the British do

I'm not sure that's true, as there is a real tradition of that kind of cooking foe various reasons in the US. It doesn't make it a bad thing.
As an example, on Top Chef, a cooking show featuring real fancy US chefs, who are award winners and famous restauranteurs, when faced with making a wedding cake for a challenge, made a boxed yellow cake mix, without blinking. They thought nothing of this, it was the norm.
If you look at even the most basic recipe sites in the UK, for children even, you don't find instructions to make a cake with "one pack of white cake mix plus one pudding mix plus one carton of frosting", which is very common on US recipe sites.
Same for recipes using canned soups and dried etc.
It's not a value judgement, there's nothing wrong with it, and historically there are sensible reasons for it.

RibbonAurora · 23/08/2018 11:16

Delia hasn't made it across the Atlantic as far as I know. We've had the dubious pleasure of Gordon Ramsay for years and the even more dubious pleasure of Jamie Oliver. That was quite entertaining to be fair, there's a kind of cruel enjoyment to be had watching some patronizing foreigner trying to tell Americans that they're doing eating wrong and having his arse handed to him. We also had Nigella for a while I think.

The most popular Brit cooking show, among people I know, has been The Great British Bake Off, it's buried on an obscure cable channel but so many of my friends here have stumbled across it and succumbed to its gentle humor and charm. At first I don't think they could quite get their heads around the concept of a competitive knockout reality show where no one is trying to stab their fellow contestants in the back and it's all so very civilized and kind and, of course, there's cake!

longwayoff · 23/08/2018 12:02

As a brit please accept my apologies for Gordon Ramsay will his welcome never wear out over there? Jamie can be a bit preachy. His current war against sugar wouldn't go down well in USA in fact the sweet potato. marshmallow would give him a seizure. Nigella made a tv prog in U S A with Anthony Bourdain and others forget its name, it was dreadful. Bake Off though, we still love it, gentle family viewing with cake. New series next week and many of us will head out to BUY some cakes from a SHOP to add to enjoyment. We're not so keen on cake mixes here I think.

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PollyFlinderz · 23/08/2018 12:19

Delia is a kitchen goddess in UK.

Ive not used a lot of her recipes but i do like the Pasta Puttanesca as well as the vegetable lasagne in her Summer book.