To start thinking organised religion is a front for child abuse?

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...there’s just so much of it, this article from yesterday about 300 priests abuses 1000 children in one US case. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pennsylvania-child-abuse-pope-francis-vatican-priests-catholic-church-latest-a8495371.html%3famp

Something I find really curious is that although it is horrendous that any priest ever abuses any child, there is so much focus on this and yet no=one ever talks about the education system in the same way and yet this American article(quick Google) estimates that 1 in 10 children will be abused by a teacher during their school years!!!
The sad truth is that people with an attraction to children will get themselves into a job where they have access to them. I guess the Catholic church has the added complication of celibacy being an expectation which may exaccerbate the problem, but the truth is you are far more likely to be abused by your school teacher than a religious leader and yet I do not see the headlines.
I was abused by a teacher.....although he was a relative to me, but had molested many pupils and it was not until I took him to court that the other victims felt able to speak out.

Sorry...link

www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-and-unions-tamp-down-news-of-children-abused-by-teachers/

Organised religion is not in and of itself child abuse. But there are aspects of organised religion (hierarchy, secrecy, self-preservation, power, influence and patriarchy) that make it easier for child abuse to occur and to go unseen. That’s a huge problem which hasn’t yet been dealt with in any reasonable way.

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10575771/Almost-1000-teachers-accused-of-sex-abuse.html

If a teacher is caught, do all the schools get together to hide the fact and move him to another school to carry on? No, they are fired and prosecuted and never allowed to be near kids again.

However, Paedo priests get away with it with backing of church management and are actively given new victims

Now they are arawia, that wasn’t always the case. Paying off parents and quietly moving teachers on was very much a thing to protect the reputation of the school. The Scouts had a similar issue and I’d be very surprised if the FA haven’t also covered up historic accusations of child abuse.

None of that excuses what the Catholic Church is, or the length of time it’s to actually do something about it now. But it would be very naive to assume that this wasn’t happening in most organisations where adults had easy access to children.

Its more a case that pedophiles target organisations with weak safeguarding, as a means to access victims with a low risk of being caught or punished.

Actually organised religion is in abd of itself child abuse. Telling children that a being is watching them and will punish them if they don't obey arbitrary rules. Leaving people terrified of hell, mutilating children's genitals for no good reason, teaching women that they are inferior and the source of sin? That is before you get to criminal organisations like the Catholic Church, which for some strange reason are allowed to run schools.

I'm involved in a historic child abuse case involving the church of England. They fund an independent support worker who organised for the diocese to pay for counselling for me. She got approval for the funding in a couple of hours. It's scary how the support clicks in place so smoothly. It must be all the practice

This is exactly what I thought when I read the article OP. Institutionalized paedophilia.

Add to that what was done to thousands of young mothers and babies in Catholic homes in Ireland, and the only Christian thing for the Pope to do would be to disband the entire institutions.

Between the abuse, the cover ups, the young mothers torn away from babies, all the babies buried in mass graves, telling people not to use contraception even though they can’t feed the children they do have, along with the poor being told them being poor is God’s way (looking at you here Mother Theresea)...

....I just don’t see the large scale good Catholic Church has done and I think it gets away with a lot. I hope I see it crumble in my life time.

(I appreciate it give comfort and splice at an individual level to very good people, but I’m talking big picture).

Totally agree that as well as the endemic sexual abuse, organised religion is abusive in and of itself. Telling a child they will burn in damnation and spend an eternity being tortured in hell if they don’t tow the line is absolutely fucking sick. As is chopping off bits of their genitalia.

Solice not splice!

Organisations of every type have people that are so loyal they make a choice to protect the reputation of the organisation as a priority.

People being more loyal to a brand or their income from the brand - which funds their lifestyle - are the problem we have in society.

Vdbfamily

Evidence collected from the government CSA enquiry showed the biggest risk class is from male teachers and male social workers, the second from males that are known to a family, the lest risk class to a child is from their own parents, of them the female is the lower risk.

The ban on contraception is also responsible for the spread of HIV which has decimated entire communities and will affect generations in some parts of the world, and often in the poorest parts of the world like some African countries,

I'm beginning to agree, but it's organized anything, not just religion. How can anyone in their right minds send their kids to Downside or Ampleforth after their shocking behaviour?

Well, organised religion in general is extremely patriarchal, with few exceptions (perhaps the Quakers?). With absolute power given to men, and zero accountability in most cases, abuse is sadly guaranteed.

But as PP have said, it is not the only sphere where abuse is endemic. Unfortunately, there were always be abuse in areas where men have authority over women and children. Which is a lot of areas, clearly.

I dont wish to see the cathloic church crumble. I do wish to see them clean up their act.

It's not exclusive to the Catholic church either. My dad's head teacher used to molest children, it was widely known and ignored. I had teachers that slept with pupils and just moved to another school, with new victims, my exh school had the same.

Schools, for the longest time, did exactly what the church has done. Getting rid of schools isn't the answer dealing with the problem is.

I can also bet that most organised religions have the same problem, it's just still hidden. It's a case of people in power trying to protect their organisations reputation and (in some cases) protect the people they know. Regardless of how awful their crimes.

I actually don't like organised religion at all. For many reasons. However I think it would be daft to pretend that the Catholic church are the only religion who hide paedophiles, have a history of treating women and children horrendously and generally have an awful past.

Indeed, the Catholic Church is not the only to treat people badly, and it is men women and children who are treated badly, not just women and children. C of E, Islam Sikhism jehovah'so witnesses etc are all as bad. Religion is a con trick and the sooner people wake up to it the better.

TrueEntertain

Be interesting to see the figures for that.