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to think tradespeople who advertise for business should not be such rude fuckers?

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ginghamstarfish · 16/08/2018 12:48

This has pissed me off for years. Have moved around a lot and find it happens everywhere. Need a tradesman, say an electrician/roofer etc. Look up the small ads in local paper etc, call them - and either they ignore messages, say they will come and won't, or worst of all, come round, have a good nosey, say they will give a quote, and then don't, and never respond to any further calls/messages. What is the fucking point of advertising then if you don't want any work?? Anyone else find this, surely it can't be just me?

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ginghamstarfish · 16/08/2018 16:56

My DH was self employed for years and the only advantage of working for yourself is not having to do stuff you don't want to as long as you've got enough other jobs to pay the bills - to PP who posted this - yes, understandable if you are in the position to pick and choose, but my point is that you should SAY they don't want to do it, dressed up in whatever excuse. Otherwise customers like me actually believe someone who says they will give a quote, when what they mean is 'I don't fancy that job/too busy/can't be arsed to make up an excuse' etc etc. That is what's annoying.

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EvaHarknessRose · 16/08/2018 16:57

My heart sinks when my patients parents are builders because then they never answer their phones or let you leave a message (too many angry past customers Grin?

What we do is post our job on mybuilder.com and then invite people with good reviews to respond/quote, or see who shows interest and what their ratings are like. Some still don’t follow up though.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 16/08/2018 17:06

"I don't fancy that job/too busy/can't be arsed to make up an excuse"

Yes this. Just be honest with me. It's like there's a whole set of rules that people in the trades are working to, that outsiders don't have access to. They might think that by saying "this looks doable, I'll let you have a quote next week" they will be understood to be saying "I dont' want this job" but I would rather have an unambiguous "no thanks"!

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 16/08/2018 17:09

I feel your pain, OP.

I'm sure tradespeople must resent the time given to quotes that don't convert into paid work, but the reality is that most of us need to know whether we can afford someone's services before we commit.

It always used to amuse me when the likes of Sarah Beeny would urge viewers to get several quotes in writing and then have a written contract for the work. I wonder where she found these mythical builders who provided such things.

TomHardysNextWife · 16/08/2018 17:20

We run a small business making bespoke items, and we always get back to the customer within 48 hours with a price and a run down of costs. If only they had the same courtesy to reply and say yes or no, that would be heavenly. DH wastes hours upon hours going to see people who haven't got the money and want him to bodge something together. And those hours are often in the evenings and weekends.

So when we get tradesmen who don't turn up/put a quote in, I have little patience. We're trying to find a painter/decorator at the moment and it's starting to feel like the holy grail to be honest.

OftenHangry · 16/08/2018 17:23

It's so annoying! Especially when it is smaller jobs.

Well they will change their tune when people start doing smaller things themselves again. We all have to suck it up now and fire up youtube.
I already did with few small things. Also consider plastering course so I can do it myself when the time comes

TimetohittheroadJack · 16/08/2018 17:31

My DH is a joiner so I see the other side too. He is out most nights quoting for jobs, and more often than not, never hears back/people want him to start immediately/want him to come on the weekend or evening as they work.

The other thing that annoys him the most is people never want to pay for a skip but expect him to magically make any waste (for example an old kitchen) disappear. Or don’t want him to supply the materials as they can get them cheaper and they order the wrong thing or stuff doesn’t turn up which means a two day job ends up taking a week, yet the client only wants to pay the original quote.

MadameGerbil · 16/08/2018 17:46

My friend is an arborist and recently did 4 days work tidying up trees, cutting tall hedges etc. The householder then refused to pay for 4 days and he ended up only getting 3 days money. He's not very business minded but he does a good job and turns up when he says he will. I cannot believe the gall of some customers, it's a race to the bottom 😢

DopeyDazy · 16/08/2018 21:10

it's an interview both ways you don't give tradesman a reason you don't use him and same for him.

WelcomeToShootingStars · 16/08/2018 21:24

It isn't that they don't want any work. They either don't want the work you're offering or can't accommodate it.

WelcomeToShootingStars · 16/08/2018 21:34

@Bestseller

Most decent apprenticeships request decent grades. I have a vast number of applicants for my apprenticeship vacancies, and can afford to be very picky with who I choose to take on.

I'm a qualified electrician, a highly skilled electrical engineer and intelligent enough to have a couple of degrees and to have succeeded in my field.

I've never done house bashing though. I wouldn't have the tolerance to deal with such ignorance as you portray.

user1457017537 · 17/08/2018 08:46

Maybe part of the problem is people expecting 8 quotes for one small job. That means only one of them can get the job and they get pretty good at filtering out time wasters. Surely 2 or 3 quotes is adequate.

If you are a one man band estimating eats in to your time, as does written quotations, pricing and typing up. Not really fair if you are not going to commit or make half a dozen others go through the same process and compete.

SharpLily · 17/08/2018 09:30

My husband is a plasterer and I do all his admin - quotes, invoices, pricing and communicating with the customer. If I didn't, it wouldn't get done because his skill is plastering and he's rubbish at dealing with the other stuff. We always return quotes as soon as possible and he does his best to keep to a schedule. However plastering, like many other trades, relies on other people getting their part of the job done on time - this week he had three jobs booked in, none of which ended up being ready for him on time. This means I have to frantically rearrange schedules meaning that yes, he can look flaky and, where that's not possible, that he won't earn any money this week through no fault of his own. It also often happens that when you turn up to the job for which you have quoted, there's a lot of 'while you're here can you please also do this, and that, and that...' - if he says no they say he is difficult, if he says yes he overruns and pisses off the next customer. Oh, and most people don't want to actually pay any extra for the extra work, on the basis that 'he's there anyway'. He gets paid based upon the amount of time a job takes and the amount of material used to do it. Little extras take more of both so why the hell wouldn't you expect to pay for that?

Furthermore, yes, customers can be deeply unpleasant. Withholding money for various spurious reasons - this week, for example, I'm chasing payment from one customer who is happy with work done over a month ago but now claims to simply not have the money. Another is not happy with what their electrician (nothing to do with my husband who has never even met this sparky) has done so is withholding payment to all the trades involved in the job. On another job he has been waiting for thousands for weeks now for a job on which he was a sub-contractor, because the other trades overran and the client doesn't want anyone in the house over the summer so the job can't be finished and the client won't pay until it is. My husband's work was finished weeks ago and the client is happy, so why should any of this be his problem?

Trades don't get paid for quoting and often do it during family time at evenings and weekends - they don't do it for the fun of it - and then turn up to clients having a domestic because the husband and wife can't agree on what they want done, who claim they haven't got any money to spend but want the Earth, who proudly tell stories about how they didn't pay previous tradesmen for various petty reasons. Why would he want to turn up to work for such people and risk not getting paid due to their pettiness?

Because we both work in this industry we have no trouble getting tradesmen in but I can understand how frustrating it must be to those who struggle. My advice would be to be very clear on what you want done and understand why some flexibility on timescales might be necessary.

As for those who don't like to offer even a cup of tea of coffee, that's just mean. These are human beings who are doing their best to solve your problems for you and to have that bit of human interaction really makes my husband's day. He always remembers the clients who are helpful and friendly and treat him like a human being instead of a robot or servant.

Sorry, that was long and ranty.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 17/08/2018 10:04

Rant away, dear heart. We've been lucky with our trades (same plumber for 25 years), and we understand that overruns happen. One thing we learned early on is that if they're not registered for VAT, they're not doing enough to be competent.

SharpLily · 17/08/2018 10:16

Ah yes, the cheaper, unregistered trades! Those LOVELY customers who turn down your quote because it's too expensive, go with the cheapest quote and then are irritated when they have to pay you to go and fix the fuck up their cheap quote led to! Here's a hint - if a quote is cheap, there's often a reason. Paying for all the correct taxes and insurances and not cutting corners by using cheaper material all costs. It's usually a case of getting what you pay for here.

CantStandMeow · 17/08/2018 10:33

Sharp lily - you're not in Hampshire are you?

SharpLily · 17/08/2018 10:35

Nope, sorry!

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