Newborn being around unvaccinated children

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What to do, my brothers toddler is not vaccinated (brother is very openly against vaccinations and became irate when I told him I will be vaccinating my daughter)

DD is almost in the world and I am concerned about nephew being around her, there was recently a measles outbreak on our side of London (may be scaremongering but I did read the article a few weeks back)

Obviously he is in playgroups and nursery so I feel incredibly uncomfortable about this, he is old enough to survive catching something, but my poor daughter wont be…

AIBU worrying about this? I don’t see any way to get out of nephew meeting DD in the first few days after birth… so not sure what to do!

PinkyU well said and restingbemusedface is correct in saying that most vaccines shed for weeks after. Also vaccines such as whooping cough aren’t even designed to stop them spreading, and were only ever devised to supposedly prevent symptoms developing in vaccinated individuals.
I’m totally sick of this self righteous nonsense being spouted regards unvaccinated children

Cathmidston, any reputable sources for your information?

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150624071018.htm
This is just one but there are tons of studies on this aspect of whooping cough ...

Cathmidston did you read that link? It doesn’t say what I think you think it says...

“Go figure” what, exactly, bemusedface?

I know what i’m figuring from your post at the moment!

(I'll summarise its suggestions here to keep it simple:)

1. Whooping cough vaccine prevents vaccinated people from becoming ill, therefore preventing their death

1. Whooping cough vaccine may not prevent vaccinated people from transmitting the pathogen

1. The anti-vaccine movement makes it unlikely that the required level of vaccination to provide herd immunity will be reached

1. They clearly state that people should be vaccinated, and that the anti-vaccine movement is the problem

Your brother sounds pretty unreasonable if he's having a go at you about your choice to vaccinate your child anyway. I certainly wouldn't risk having a newborn around an unvaccinated child. Obviously, you may pass anyone in the street who sneezes in your direction, and you can't protect against 100% of the risk, but you CAN protect against your brother's child and it is entirely reasonable to keep the children apart until yours is older, more robust and fully vaccinated.

PinkyU well said and restingbemusedface is correct in saying that most vaccines shed for weeks after. Also vaccines such as whooping cough aren’t even designed to stop them spreading, and were only ever devised to supposedly prevent symptoms developing in vaccinated individuals.

Totally untrue. I’m a scientist, that’s nonsense. Very few vaccines shed (generally only live ones) and those that do are highly unlikely to cause disease due to shed route and volume.

OP, no unvaccinated toddler would be anywhere near my newborn. You have no idea if they’re in a prodromal phase of illness and actively infectious - loads of illnesses are highly infectious in the days before symptoms appear. Measles kills and maims. It’s not a mild illness, it can and does kill healthy well fed adults and children.

Don’t try and appease when you explain to your brother. Women JADE (justify, apologise defend and explain) far too bloody much. Just tell him. Don’t apologise.

There are no mums in war zones/third world areas desperate for vaccines spouting this shit, because they see children die daily from perfectly preventable diseases.
A small number of kids can’t be vaccinated due to medical issues and it’s vital that we keep up our population herd immunity to protect the population as a whole.

Realistically, in terms of what I’d do with a. Family member in real life, I agree with PinkyU. The risks are tiny, and everywhere anyway. I wouldn’t be happy, but I wouldn’t refuse contact between uncle/ cousins over this

Your child so your rules. Whatever you decide is then the right thing for YOUR child. Just like his decision for his child because he thinks he’s right.
If you don’t want your child near his for health reasons then you are doing so because you think that’s best.

Nowt wrong with that

There was an open letter a woman wrote somewhere on the internet maybe Facebook who's new baby contracted something from an unvaccinated child - find that and send it to your brother 😐

m.facebook.com/jennifer.hibbenwhite/posts/10155168515065632:0?utm_medium=google

I found it -and it's horrendous 😔

DD2 had to delay vaccinations for medical reasons. The advice from our GP was to avoid unvaccinated kids like the plague.

You are right your baby would be at risk - in the recent outbreaks a really high proportion of kids were unvaccinated or too young to be vaccinated. There have been measles outbreaks in a lot of areas this year

As I have said in other threads, parents who opt out of providing herd immunity to the vulnerable, can't then complain when they are avoided by the herd.

And 'vaccine shedding' causing diseases to spread is completely incorrect! Please fact check before spreading lies that might cause harm to others

I wouldn't risk my baby around someone I knew was unvaccinated.

Really? Most people don't go around announcing that their baby has not had vaccinations. They will be everywhere, unless you want to keep them locked away forever I'd not worry. All us adults are a risk to your baby too you know. We didn't have half of the injections they give now.

Your baby, your rules. Don't waste your time trying to convince your brother the rights or wrongs of vaccinating, but focus on sticking to what is right for you.

He made the decision not to vaccinate so he has to be responsible for his child being excluded by other parents who don't want to take the risk of being around him.

I'd just say sorry, but until baby has all her vaccinations, no contact with DN as long as he isn't vaccinated. So DB it's unfortunate but I want to support your parenting decisions as I'm sure you support my parenting decisions.

I wish this country was like America where they don't admit children to childcare or school until they are fully vaccinated.

I think you say to your brother just as he made his (frankly stupid) decision to not vaccinate, you are making your decision to limit exposure to unvaccinated children as much as possible until your baby is protected. You pay your money and you take your choice.

@cath you do realise that the large majority of information on the internet relating to vaccinations is heavily biased towards the anti-vaxx movement - usually funded by them but presented in a way which looks official. However, it's generally complete nonsense and not at all reliable