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To serve these foods to muslim friends

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MissMildred · 04/08/2018 19:03

Hi - posting here for traffic but also because I don't want to BU. I invited some new school friends and their parents for a bbq in a couple of weeks and two of the families are muslim and mentioned they only eat halal.
I want to make an effort to make them feel comfortable, and it has also been very interesting learning all about what is halal or haram. Obviously no pork will be served. However, some of the guidance on the internet is not clear, so I wondered if anyone with this diet could help me with these items and whether it would BU to serve them up:

Vinegar - if I served this in eg. a coleslaw, are all types of vinegar fine? (Eg is the vinegar not seen as alcohol anymore?)
Butter - Am I overthinking this? Would you eat butter?
Alcohol - I know you wouldn't drink this, but is it acceptable for others in the group to be drinking a glass of wine?
Halloumi - I can't figure out if this is okay or not.

Also - any tips you might have would be great, especially if there are brands of crisps, bread, butter etc....you might use.

Thank you!

OP posts:
BertrandRussell · 05/08/2018 13:39

“. I hope none of you hypocrites are partial to a chicken tikka masala lol.”

Or a Nandos.......

Emotionaleater · 05/08/2018 13:39

rainbowsandsmiles actually muslims are permitted to eat kosher and meat slaughtered in by a Christian (so the slaughter with priest saying in the name of God), no issues, but if halal is available makes it easier. I’ve travelled the world and we eat (if we know it was during the presence of a priest) meat available. Kosher too.
Hope that helps

Emotionaleater · 05/08/2018 13:40

Sorry rainbows wasn’t meant to be directed at you Confused

starcrossedseahorse · 05/08/2018 13:43

The animal is not hung upside down to bleed to death. Once it is dead, then it gets hung upside down to drain the blood from the carcass

Worms I suggest that you do some research as you are clueless as is Bertrand. I guess it makes you feel better to think this but you are very wrong.

I am not entering in to the 'You're a bigot and a racist because you oppose ritualised animal cruelty' argument because I made a promise to myself not to debate with idiots.

I imagine that the hostility to the facts has its roots in people not actually giving a shit about how animals are raised and slaughtered as long as they get their kebab or whatever.

I am glad that some people do care more but am always disheartened by the amount that really couldn't care less as long as they get their cheap meat every fucking day.

It's bloody depressing.

Clairetree1 · 05/08/2018 13:44

Has anyone said WHY they'd be so opposed to eating the meat if it wasn't halal yet?

because it goes against the beliefs of other faiths, for one

MulderitsmeX · 05/08/2018 13:45

I really think it's time that there's some sort of RSPCA endorser labelling of welfare of food so that we are able to make good choices. As the vet upthread and and several others have pointed put the 15-20 percent chance of halal meat being non stunned means I am unfortunately unable to not eat halal, if I were to know that the meat was however responsibly sourced it would be fine. Although weird, I'd prefer non religious meat thanks!

My idea is most likely unworkable beyond local butchers but it's something I would pay more for.

I have also gone low dairy due to the killing of the male calves at birth of dairy cows, I also wish there was a way to circumnavigate that too.

I think people should definitely be worrying about welfare first and preferences second.Smile

commonarewe · 05/08/2018 13:46

Because it is immaterial to me -and to you- what is being played over the loudspeakers in the abattoir.

If it's so "immaterial", how about we just switch the loudspeakers off then?

Oh wait, looks like it's not so "immaterial" after all.

SavvySaver24 · 05/08/2018 13:47

It's certainly not something you legally have to declare and it shouldn't be

What a load of bollocks!! By the same vein you shouldn't have to declare which meat is halal either! It is the same effing principal. I don't want to eat halal meat just as muslims don't want to eat non halal meat!

DiegoMadonna · 05/08/2018 13:51

I don't want to eat halal meat just as muslims don't want to eat non halal meat!

Why not?

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 13:52

If it's so "immaterial", how about we just switch the loudspeakers off then?

You spectacularly missed the entire point of that comment didn’t you? It was saying it’s immaterial to you and to the poster, but not to Muslims. At least try reading what is written before you argue back!

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 13:54

Oh and chicken tikka masala was invented in Glasgow by a Bangladeshi chef cooking in an Indian restaurant, so not exactly traditional fare in the Punjab!

mintui · 05/08/2018 13:55

As a non-muslim, I personally would not eat halal meat due to the inhumane manner in which animals are slaughtered. I have a Sikh friend and her religion prohibits her from eating halal for similar reasons. I would expect to be told the meat is halal.

derxa · 05/08/2018 13:57

What an innocent OP

SavvySaver24 · 05/08/2018 13:59

DiegoMadonna because it isn't my religion and I don't agree with it.

BertrandRussell · 05/08/2018 13:59

“Because it is immaterial to me -and to you- what is being played over the loudspeakers in the abattoir.

If it's so "immaterial", how about we just switch the loudspeakers off then?”

It’s immaterial to me-and to you - because we are not Muslims. It is material to Muslims. HTH.

rainbowsandsmiles · 05/08/2018 13:59

Has anyone said WHY they'd be so opposed to eating the meat if it wasn't halal yet?

because it goes against the beliefs of other faiths, for one

OK, fair enough, if halal meat does go against your religious belief and you're not allowed to eat it.
What about those saying no way if they're not particularly religious or can eat animals regardless of how they've been killed though?
What's the reasoning behind that? Was just wondering.

BertrandRussell · 05/08/2018 14:00

“DiegoMadonna because it isn't my religion and I don't agree with it.”

How does it affect you?

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 14:00

What about those saying no way if they're not particularly religious or can eat animals regardless of how they've been killed though?

I’ve asked that too. No response as yet beyond name calling and getting nippy.

It’s like there is no actual valid reason or something.

SavvySaver24 · 05/08/2018 14:01

BertrandRussell what the hell right do you think you have to dictate what should or should not be material or immaterial to me!? Eating halal meat is NOT immaterial. As I have said multiple times I fundamentally disagree with it for 2 key reasons and the is entirely my perogative.

rainbowsandsmiles · 05/08/2018 14:01

It’s immaterial to me-and to you - because we are not Muslims. It is material to Muslims. HTH.

Exactly, doesn't mean a thing if you're not Muslim, so it doesn't matter to me whereas it would to them.

commonarewe · 05/08/2018 14:02

It’s immaterial to me-and to you - because we are not Muslims. It is material to Muslims. HTH.

And what about Sikhs? Do they have a right to non-ritually slaughtered meat (as everyone else should, btw) or are you going to call them racists too? And why on earth does only one group get to decide what is and is not material in the preparation of their food?

DiegoMadonna · 05/08/2018 14:03

I personally would not eat halal meat due to the inhumane manner in which animals are slaughtered

But 90% of halal meat is stunned before being cut (meaning the process is more or less equal to the non-halal process in terms of "humaneness"). So... yeah

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 14:03

As I have said multiple times I fundamentally disagree with it for 2 key reasons and the is entirely my perogative

You haven’t. You keep repeating the same thing over and over but it’s not a reason.

The first is misinformation, you don’t understand how halal slaughter works.

The second doesn’t affect you in any way, you keep insisting it does without actually specifying how it does.

MN is a public forum, if you post things people ask questions about it. It would appear halal slaughter isn’t the only thing that confuses you!

BertrandRussell · 05/08/2018 14:03

So long as the same welfare standards apply to halal and non halal meat, which for mass produced meat they do, there is no reason to object to eating hahal. Oh, apart from that thing...you know...what’s it called? Begins with r.......? Racism, that’s it!

JacquesHammer · 05/08/2018 14:03

As I have said multiple times I fundamentally disagree with it for 2 key reasons and the is entirely my perogative

So as per earlier you think the meat absorbs the prayer? How odd.

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