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"you must have looked hot tonight."

45 replies

Really2018 · 04/08/2018 02:19

I went out to a casino with friends around 11pm. Friend had other (male) friend with them, who was clearly intoxicated. The male friend of my friend then decides to grab me by the middle and rest his head on my breasts. When I push him off and get angry, he retorts with "get a grip, it's not like I was grabbing your ass or your tits."

Ten minutes later when playing roulette, a random man comes up behind me, starts feeling me up and pushes his erection against my back (all rather discreetly). One of my friends sees this and swaps places with me, but nothing else is done. I went home at and called DH because I felt violated and wanted support. When I told DH what had happened, he responded with "you must have looked hot tonight." I got upset and he apologised, stating that it hadn't been the right thing to say.

I'm upset with him, not just for making me feel like I'm overreacting, but also for seemingly not really caring that I'm being touched in that way by strangers.

AIBU to be fuming?

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 04/08/2018 07:03

Have you told him how upset you are about his comment? Did he comfort you first or dismiss your feelings? Playing devils advocate do you perhaps think he was trying to make you feel better in a very clumsy way. I hope so rather than being a misogynist.

checkingforballoons · 04/08/2018 07:13

Could he have been shocked and just said something stupid?
When the whole #metoo thing first kicked off, my (very lovely and definitely feminist) husband told me that he didn’t believe the problem was as widespread as was being made out because he didn’t know any women that had been affected. So I listed all the times that I had been touched, followed, shouted at etc from the age of about 12 and he sat there with his mouth hanging open, utterly mortified and with no idea what to say.
I hope you’re ok and not too shaken up.

mineisarossini · 04/08/2018 07:20

Next time a man does that to you, you don't simply keep quiet. You make a fuss, you call him out, you ask to see the manager. You get him kicked out!

By keeping quiet and swapping with your friend, I am sorry to say you are condoning this behaviour. Worse still he will continue to be there and do it to other women.

It is sexual assault pure and simple.

Your dh reaction to it would make me question my marriage and my future.
How can this man love you?
How can he respect you?

Dh made a big mistake, he may have apologised by the cat is out of the bag now.

Slartybartfast · 04/08/2018 07:22

your dh has apologised op.
be angry with the men who assaulted you

Vickyyyy · 04/08/2018 07:24

Wow, YANBU. DH reaction would piss me off much more than the behaviour of random pervs though. As if you should take behaviour like that as a compiment? Fuck that.

Anniegetyourgun · 04/08/2018 07:31

He may have meant it as a twisted compliment/comfort thing. But it doesn't work. It's not about how attractive you are. We plain women get harassed too! (For a bonus, we're supposed to be grateful for that Confused) It's about you existing for their entertainment. Clearly you grew breasts on purpose so they could be admired and groped, or conversely insulted if the man is in that kind of mood. If your DH has never thought about this before, it's more than time that he did.

annandale · 04/08/2018 07:36

This stuff happens in the Houses of parliament for God's sake. It's not the op's responsibility to exist, dress or report in a way that would somehow magically prevent sexual assault. The men involved managed not to do this to anyone in the area with a penis, however hot they looked. This is 'a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear'. YANBU.

You can talk to him about it. But you don't have to. It would be good if he asked about it.

AChickenCalledKorma · 04/08/2018 07:40

Similar happened to me while I was watching an outdoor classical music concert. I was 17. It's nothing to do with "gaffs like that" and everything to do with the men in question.

OP I hope you can have a more supportive conversation with your DH about what happened. I would also be very hurt if mine said similar, but I know that he's rubbish at empathy and would be horrified if he knew how he'd made me feel.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 04/08/2018 07:43

I’m sorry, OP. Men really do not get it. Or an awful lot of them anyway.

rubyjude · 04/08/2018 07:46

These kind of men don't know/are incapable of behaving like decent human beings. These scumbuckets just see women as things they can use whenever they want. YAVNBU.

Really2018 · 04/08/2018 09:18

I'm pretty sure that it was a clumsy attempt to cheer me up, doesn't make it feel any better though. I think that sometimes it is difficult to actually say/do something, I've had disappointing experiences where friends have tried to speak up to security or whatever was available on a night out, only to be told not to be so precious. My DH said I should have punched him...as if that would have helped the situation Sad.

I'm not a shy person and I'm physically strong, but when stuff like this happens it can be surprisingly difficult to say something. I wish that wasn't true.

DH has gone to work now. I wonder what apologetic gesture I will receive when he gets home.

I don't for a second believe that he means anything malicious when he opens his mouth, but he can be misogynistic at times, mostly due to learned behaviour (e.g. he works in a male dominated environment that recently made a push for recruiting more women, resulting in DH commenting that 'women at work are shit at the job' and therefore perhaps shouldn't be hired in droves). I pointed out that he complains about Tom, Dick and Harry being terrible as the job too, but that he would never have said that 'men are shit', yet Sara and Danila being subpar is immediately generalised. This made quite an impact on him thankfully.

It's more sad than infuriating when things like this happen because I know DH is a good guy and tries his hardest to make me happy. He's just a product of his environment.

Sorry for the rant Envy

OP posts:
longwayoff · 04/08/2018 09:22

Are you sure you're cross with the right person?

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 04/08/2018 09:28

For the sake of your MH focus the anger in the men who did what they did

The. When you are calmer have a quiet word and say that you are very disappointed by his reaction . Does he realise how normalised he is towards sexual assault ? But have the chat when you feel calmer

Not all men are like this OP . But it’s always disappointing to get a view into the abyss

ImAIdoot · 04/08/2018 09:37

I would consider this reaction as weird as fuck, but there are too many possible variables here to know why he would say that. For instance if he thinks the place is seedy as all hell he might immediately stifle that thought to avoid seeming like he's victim blaming or controlling, then put his foot in it with whatever he thinks of to say next, especially if as you say he is a bit of a learner at not coming across like a troglodyte. The reason I say that is it doesn't sound like a natural reaction from any angle I can understand if he is at all nice.

YANBU at all. Even before the apparent misogyny of it I would expect someone who cared to be furious or worried about this, I mean even someone who loves you but is either a misogynist or old fashioned you would still then expect them to feel protective of you If they weren't a bit wrong themselves.

ShadyLady53 · 04/08/2018 09:53

I am so sorry that you had these experiences, you absolutely did not deserve them and nor did you deserve such a blasé reaction from your partner.

You also don’t deserve people’s doubts on here! Maybe some posters are fortunate enough not to have had these experiences throughout their lives but it doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

I’ve had similar experiences but one stands out. I’d just left uni, was jobless, and the head of my course asked if I’d like to work an event with his company that he had as a sideline. It was basically a VERY posh dinner at a stately home and guests had paid at least £200 a ticket to attend. My former tutor had asked several other students, all male and men that I considered decent guys, friends of mine even, to work the event.

As the night went on, I’d say around a dozen of the men in attendance became just awful. They were with their wives, girlfriends, mothers even but they didn’t give a fuck. As I’d go to check on tables, they’d get handsy or make crude sexual references to me, I’d feel hands wandering up my thigh etc. Several men started referring to me as “the slut”, “the whore”, “who did you fuck to get a job here etc”. One man repeatedly tried to kiss me.

I shouldn’t have to justify myself but I was pretty naive and timid, hadn’t partied through uni, embarrassingly was still a virgin, was wearing a suit jacket and dress appropriate for work etc...so I wasn’t “asking for it” or inviting anything. I was just a woman, the only woman, who was at work at a male dominated event.

I told my former tutor what was happening, my close male friend who I had SO much respect for. Several times, I explained how disgusting the behaviour was getting and that I felt afraid etc. It was laughed off. I was told “what do you expect? You ARE an attractive young woman and they’ve been drinking!” or just out and out not believed at all. That friend who I saw as one of the good guys just looked through me when I asked if he could keep an eye out around the man who kept trying to kiss me. One guy who had graduated the year before me did intervene at one point, stepping between me and a man who was trying to touch me and saying “come on, mate that’s not on.” and telling another who was saying “Oi, slut” not to talk to me like that. At one point, he grabbed my hand to lead me away from someone leery and he started getting abuse “ah so YOU’RE the one she must be fucking! I knew she was fucking someone”. Apart from him though, my tutor and male friends definitely were aware and ignored it or blamed me. I definitely had my eyes opened that night. I felt really horrible and humiliated afterwards. The saddest thing is realising you are powerless to change or stop it.

It can happen ANYWHERE to ANYONE. It’s a problem in society...sometimes just being a woman in a certain environment is a provocative act. I genuinely think the majority of men just do not get it because they don’t have to experience it. I wish I knew what the answer was but I don’t. Just the other day, I told my brother that a man in his 50s stopped in the street to leer at my teenage niece as she was getting in my car, having been at the beach. It was disgusting the way he was looking at her and visibly becoming aroused. My mother and I both intervened but when we told my brother he burst out laughing and blamed the fact she was wearing shorts and a crop top. I really despair!

longwayoff · 04/08/2018 10:10

Absolutely shady. Makes you despair. It would be interesting to reverse the sexes in OP's complaint to see how a man would react to being mauled and groped. I doubt he'd be thrilled, in fact I think he'd be bloody outraged whether looking hot or not.

littleFearOfHumans · 04/08/2018 10:25

I'm confused about the first scenario. Head on your chest from a friend of either sex doesn't sound offensive to me and I can see why your anger got that retort.

TheStoic · 04/08/2018 10:33

That’s awful, OP, I’m sorry those things happened to you.

And yes I’d be incredibly disappointed if my partner said that to me, and I’d think completely differently about him from that point onward.

Lizzie48 · 04/08/2018 10:54

I'm confused about the first scenario. Head on your chest from a friend of either sex doesn't sound offensive to me and I can see why your anger got that retort.

I'm sorry, but I would consider this an appalling breach of my personal boundaries, especially from a man who is obviously drunk. It's true that in my case this is because I'm an SA survivor.

For all this man knew, the OP might have had a bad experience in the past. But even if not, it's totally inappropriate.

And notice that the man who did this wasn't her friend at all, he was a friend of her male friend. So it was appalling behaviour by any definition.

I also tend to think your DH was making a crass attempt to turn it into a joke, although it does still demonstrate that a lot of men still assume that a woman must have done something to make a man want to grope her. AngryAngry

Ethylred · 04/08/2018 10:59

"I went home at and called DH "
When? You don't say. If you woke him at 3 am from a deep sleep then I find it hard to blame him for not understandings things and saying what he did.

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