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Why do people use car seats as baby carriers?

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Polestar50 · 02/08/2018 00:41

Genuine question.
I have fairly recently has a baby and have only just noticed that most parents use their car seats to carry their babies if walking a short distance (in and out of baby classes etc.)

It hadn’t occurred to me to do that. I just get my baby out and carry him in my arms, which seems much easier to me. He normally stays asleep snuggled up to me.
I find it much more comfortable to have him in my arms than to carry a bulky heavy car seat around and it’s not as though you can leave them in the car seat for any length of time once inside so what is the benefit?

AIBU to think that faffing around with a car seat is much more difficult and uncomfortable, for both parents and baby, or is there some advantage that I’m not seeing here ?

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Milkmachine15 · 03/08/2018 20:10

Fine if you only keep baby in it as recommended but it’s actually threads like this that are dangerous saying yea of course it’s ok to leave baby in their car seat to do things and let them sleep. They’re made to keep a baby safe in the event of a car accident not for them to sleep in!! I get that it’s annoying if you have to get baby out of the car juuust after they’ve fallen asleep when’s you’re sleep deprived, touched out and just need some time but PLEASE don’t leave your babies in car seats unnecessarily!! I lost my niece at 6weeks old because of this and it’s just not worth it! Pop them in a sling, carrycot or carry them it’s better to be safe than sorry!!

Frazzled2207 · 03/08/2018 20:11

If you have an older child to deal with then you need somewhere to put the baby down.

ohdeardeardear · 03/08/2018 20:13

I have tripped with my baby in the car seat. He was absolutely fine. He wouldn't have been if I was holding him.

Lindalee3 · 03/08/2018 20:15

@flatearthsphere

Well if a teacher says it it must be true! We aren't talking hours in a carseat we are talking transport into baby groups or into a supermarket. My god.

Oh yeah, we should bow to the almighty all-knowing oracles that are TEACHERS! Hmm (Some of the most clueless people I know are teachers by the way!)

And yeah most people ARE talking about transporting the babies, and letting them stay asleep whilst they go into the house instead of disturbing them, and leaving them for a half hour to an hour or so. Not them spending 23 hours a day in it! That is pretty bloody obvious.

And yeah, it IS when they are not correctly used that accidents and incidents happen. To suggest keeping your baby in the car seat for half an hour to an hour (after you have been somewhere in the car with them) may result in their death, is nothing but histrionic scaremongering!

@iwantaunicorn

With my DTs it was easier when they were newborn to carry the car seats than unload the pram, build it up, clip on their carrycots, unload child from seat, carry child and place in carrycot, repeat then finally go do what I wanted to do.

EXACTLY! In fact, in the real world, this is what MOST parents do. Just carry them out of the car into the house (in their carseat,) and let them wake up naturally.

I am guessing these scaremongers don't go more than 2-3 miles with baby on the car seat. I mean, it's too dangerous, surely....... ??? Wink

I agree with a pp. This thread is batshit!

Natsku · 03/08/2018 20:16

Sometimes it's just really really useful to keep them in the carseat like carrying into a public loo so you don't have to put them on the floor or hold them on your lap. I don't do it much though, rarely at all now he's nearly 6 months and a lot heavier so him and the seat together are just too heavy for my puny arms. He can sit up by himself but can't crawl so I can put him down on the floor if I need both my hands for something.

I really don't like the travel systems where you use the car seat instead of a pram though, alright for just a short trip but longer then they can be in the seats too long.

Onwhitehorses · 03/08/2018 20:21

makes me wince to see them bent in the seat

Bloody hell, it's a good job you can't see them in utero, there isn't exactly space to have a good stretch in there Grin

RayM · 03/08/2018 20:22

Personally, I just find it safer. My little girl has a tendency to throw herself backwards so I need both arms available!

LavendarLove · 03/08/2018 20:25

Not read all the replies so apologies if this has been said. I had ISOFIX in my car so you can just click the car seat in and out simple and you don't disturb the baby also the car seat clicked onto a pram frame for short distances I didn't see this as a chore at all, never had to disturb baby while getting in and out of the car.

Tentothree · 03/08/2018 20:36

When my children were at primary i would have seen babies being carried in to drop off older siblings.

The school children were just at that height and usually in a hurry and not looking where they were going. It would only have taken a second for something awful to have happened (to the baby and the older child).

woodhill · 03/08/2018 20:40

I had a pram too so babies laid flat.

We were more worried about world in action and the cot mattress problem after the Anne Diamond's son cot death incident

shoesarefab · 03/08/2018 20:40

I’ve just bought the Doona car seat. Push a button and wheels pop out! It’s bloody inspired! Wish they’d had it around when I had my first two.

Mrseft · 03/08/2018 20:45

My main reason was: my baby had horrific reflux that hospitalised her and the car seat was literally the only place she was comfortable and could sleep that wasn’t on me for a long time. Other reasons included being able to put her down somewhere safely, not harming her if I fell. And you say you aren’t being judgy yet you say you find it sad, which is definitely sounding a bit judgy.

callymarch · 03/08/2018 20:56

for me it was always the dreaded getting them back in the car seat when they have discovered the old "i'm going to arch my back and tense every muscle in my body whilst screaming blue murder if you think you are strapping me back in there, and i might even fill my nappy" routine. much easier to leave them safely strapped in.

Especially good for traipsing round the supermarket, i swear there even used to be trollies designed to put your car seat on (although i havent seen one lately, and my children are in their teens now )

Chipsahoy · 03/08/2018 20:57

Depends on child. I used to carry car seat with first two DC. With current baby dc3 I've never taken him out of the car in it. I carry him or he goes in the pram. Mostly cos it's been really hot since he was born and he sweats so badly in his seat but also cos I have a back injury so can't carry the seat also.

londonrach · 03/08/2018 21:00

I dont get it either as so heavy. I got a car seat that was static on purpose.

BertieBotts · 03/08/2018 21:13

"To suggest keeping your baby in the car seat for half an hour to an hour (after you have been somewhere in the car with them) may result in their death, is nothing but histrionic scaremongering!"

It's not, actually - it's been shown by research that this happens.

It's RARE - it's not a given - and it affects very SMALL babies ie premature babies, or full term newborns - it's not going to be a problem for a bigger baby e.g. a four month old. But it's not histronic or scaremongering. There have been links posted to the original research and to the NHS breakdown of that research, which is very good.

This is the mechanism of the danger, we know exactly what happens:

Baby is placed in the car seat which is at about a 40 degree angle, for safety, in the car. Sometimes the angle itself, and sometimes the movement of the car can cause some small babies to fall into a chin-to-chest position, which makes it hard for them to breathe as it creates a bend in the airway. Try it. Place your chin onto your chest and you will find breathing is suddenly more difficult, and you need to take deeper breaths in order to get the same amount of oxygen. If you stay in this position for a long time it's uncomfortable, and you'll start to feel light headed.

Very little/new babies tend to have more difficulties breathing than adults or older children anyway, because they are new at it and their respiratory systems are much more delicate. In addition, very small babies have extremely limited head and neck control, and cannot move themselves out of this position or adjust their heads in order to breathe more easily, especially when they are still in the car seat which is at an angle. If an older child or an adult falls asleep in the chin-to-chest position, we will tend to wake up and move. A newborn baby cannot do this.

So the result of the poor breathing position results in reduced oxygen saturation levels. In itself, this is not dangerous. You can get fairly low in oxygen sats before you're in serious trouble, which is why it's not inherently dangerous to use a car seat with a 40 degree angle. Indeed, the safety benefits from crash protection outweigh worries about lowered oxygen saturation levels for short periods of time. The problem is that over time, the difficulty in breathing leads to oxygen saturation levels getting lower and lower. The normal/healthy range is 95-100%. Anything under 90% is considered a concern. Anything lower than 80% can begin to affect the workings of major organs, drop to 65% and you lose mental capacity, lower than 55% and almost everybody loses consciousness. Of course, at this point the person is in significant medical difficulty - in hospitals a drop under 90% is considered an alarm and oxygen would be given at 80%. It's not a state you want a newborn to get anywhere near. (In the recent research, the test was stopped if any infant reached 85% - which some of them did several times during the 30 minute period).

There is older research which shows infants' oxygen saturation levels steadily decline over time when in car seats - you can read the full study here: pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/108/3/647?ijkey=3fb9d84135563d7a4e5344c8488e7043cbcf06cb&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

Most infants who are healthy and full term aren't entering the danger zone, and probably wouldn't for several hours - but some will after a relatively short time. In addition, this testing was performed in a static car seat placed on a flat, unmoving surface - IRL the car seat is being moved around, placed in cars, driven over bumps, around corners, subject to vibration of engines etc, which is likely to exacerbate the poor positioning problem, and cause saturation levels to decrease faster than this older research suggests (this is what the 2016 study was looking at).

The point is, if your baby has been in the car in their seat, they probably have less than perfect oxygen saturation levels. When you take them out of the car, but leave them in the seat, this does not give a very small baby the opportunity to change position. For SOME babies (but not all) being left in the same position for a further 30-60 minutes could be incredibly dangerous. Without an oxygen saturation meter, you wouldn't necessarily know.

Tentothree · 03/08/2018 21:34

Used to take me ages going anywhere in the car. Once I got parked, I got the flat pram unfolded and carrycot bit on. Then got the baby out and into pram as worried about being too long in car seat. Fought with rain hood if necessary. Then got toddler out.

Did it all in reverse when returned to car.

I tried not to go out too often when they were tiny babies!

cherish123 · 03/08/2018 21:55

I never did this. I could barely carry an empty car seat let alone one with a baby in it.

csigeek · 03/08/2018 21:56

Because they are uneducated

Frazzledstar1 · 03/08/2018 21:59

Mainly so you have somewhere to put them down if you are going somewhere that requires free hands. Also, when you have older children’s it’s not always practical to have a baby in your arms. It just makes life easier. And it saves waking baby. When they’re a bit older than newborn they don’t always stay asleep/fall back to sleep so easily

daisyinatree · 03/08/2018 23:04

Definitely a lot easier to keep baby in the car seat, and carry her out into the house. And when you go in a shop (when you're out,) it's easier to transport your baby about. Can't see any problem with it. (And I never had any issue with my kids - keeping them in the car seat for while when not in the car.!)

leighb23 · 03/08/2018 23:12

I can't be arsed rtft, but nobody seems to use a pram on mn?!! When I had my baby his car seat was always in the car, I'd get out, get the pram out of the boot and stent it up then get him out of the carseat! Nicely laid flat baby!

FreeButtonBee · 03/08/2018 23:16

I’ve never really got the carrying the car seat thing but I think it was circumstance for me. Had twins and a c section first so there was no way I was carrying those seats alone. I used the buggy tonferry them about even from car to house (London street so not guaranteed a parking spot anywhere near the house)

Then had DS2 by section and he lived in a sling because you do not want to have t think about dumping a baby in a car seat by the side of the road whilst you sprint after 2 yo twins. I got very good at shoving Ds2 in and out of the sling, used to drive with the sling still on (no baby in it!) yes he would wake but that was as gd as it got with 3 under three. He eventually fell back asleep in it and he walked at 10.5 months so didn’t exactly hold him back

starlight13 · 03/08/2018 23:25

Having their other young siblings in tow that you need to take care/ ensure they're not running into the road is not possible or practical if you are carrying a baby and don't dig toddler reins. I agree that a sling is good but faffy if you are rushing on the school run for example or if you have a heavy baby - I'm petite, 5ft 2 with 3x upper 8lb babies and honestly it hurt to be carrying and holding them constantly with nowhere to put them down. Also don't think that babies should be permanently attached to you as it can lead to social and separation issues later on - jmo BTW. The whole baby carrying in arms is all very lovely if you are a new mum with no other children or responsibilities - but then everything is all rose tinted in the early days!

Notso · 03/08/2018 23:27

I don't know how people manage to carry them, they are so cumbersome. I always used the pram, it seemed more comfortable plus provided somewhere to put all the other baby related baggage.

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