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To think crying isn't always attention seeking/manipulative?

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Echobelly · 24/07/2018 16:23

... obviously, not including definite situations of grief or pain, but say crying because of frustration, having difficulty coping or taking something in?

I was a kid who cried a lot when frustrated, for example having difficulty doing a task, at perceived (real or otherwise) bullying etc. One of the worst things about it was, every now and then, I'd have an adult hissing at me that I was being a spoiled brat and crying wasn't going to get consolation, attention, 'my way' etc. But I never wanted attention or to be consoled - I was mortified by my crying and wanted the ground to open up and swallow me and everyone to leave me alone because I felt so embarrassed (I would get away from people if I could and I did not want anyone coming after me), but I also found it almost impossible to stop myself from crying. It was only a few times that I encountered adults who used the 'brat' line, but it made such an impression that my crying got even worse because every time I did it, I then thought 'And now every thinks I'm a nasty little brat because I'm crying' and found it even harder to stop.

I've talked about this with my husband as DD (10) is a bit of a crier (though not as bad as me) and sometimes when he's had enough he mutters to me that she must be trying to 'achieve' something by crying, so I've told him my experience. He has said he realises he doesn't respond to it well and we're going to talk about it some more.

Has anyone else had any experience like mine? Or do you think there's always something manipulative there, even if you don't think so yourself when you're upset?

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Echobelly · 24/07/2018 22:41

It's really interesting that so many of us cry when we are angry, I know I do... and of course, men don't - they just get angry and have it out. There must be an awful lot of psychology and societal role pressure behind that.

I suppose the 'angry woman' is scary and unnatural, whereas it's seen as acceptable and not unhealthy in men. And I think perhaps our angry crying is about a feeling of helplessness, possibly even the helplessness of not feeling able to let our anger out without being belittled or 'losing the battle' with someone else's anger.

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Saracen · 25/07/2018 01:38

Here's another point: maybe some "criers" cry often because they are actually more unhappy than other people?

I have finally realised that (I think) my teen experiences pain more intensely than other people. This occurred to me after I noticed that her little sister is particularly INsensitive to pain; she just injures herself and doesn't even notice sometimes. So maybe my teen is toward the other end of the spectrum. She certainly does get embarrassed when she hurts herself and cries. She senses that other people are impatient with her. She says she feels like a bit of an idiot because she can't switch off the crying, but it just really hurts and she can't stop.

DarkDarkNight · 25/07/2018 01:50

I agree, it’s not always manipulative. Some people may cry to deflect attention, gain sympathy etc. etc. but sometimes you just can’t help it.

I’m a crier, and I hate it. I think humiliation is my main trigger, I can remember things like being told off by a teacher at school and all eyes on me. I could feel myself burning up and the tears would come because I felt so put on the spot. It definitely wasn’t attention seeking or trying to manipulate the teacher into stopping or wanting sympathy. I would just want to disappear not draw more attention at those times.

Often in a situation where I am involved in an argument especially when something feels really unfair I cry. I really hate it, it feels so immature to not be able to hold myself together.

MrsTerryPratchett · 25/07/2018 02:49

I have finally realised that (I think) my teen experiences pain more intensely than other people.

It's actually an incredibly interesting field, pain. I studied it a (very) little. Very dependent on genes, personality, perception. My DD has an extremely high pain threshold but a really low tolerance for sensory stuff generally. So a massive head trauma (actual concussion) is nothing. But a seam on a sock is Armageddon.

CSISaraSidle · 25/07/2018 04:50

My dads favourite thing to say to me as a young girl was "what, are you made of marzipan?! Stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about!" so it's not always about attention. If I could have gotten the attention to stop I would have, I'd cry harder because of the attention I never wanted!

claraschu · 25/07/2018 05:25

I think there is another side to this. I have seen very small kids with very minor injuries have a moment when they can go either way. So, a child scrapes his arm or gets one small nettle sting and there is a confused, slightly distressed look on his face. If a parent makes a fuss at that moment, the child sometimes starts crying quite intensely, but if the parent distracts him and assumes all is well, the child can almost ignore the tiny injury. I think parents make a child feel an injury is worse than it is sometimes; their efforts to be sympathetic can make the child more upset. Soon this can turn into a 7-year-old who makes a fuss every time he gets even the tiniest bump or scratch. I don't think the child is being manipulative, but I do think he has been trained to behave that way, and it can be pretty annoying.

It is easy for parents to get this a bit wrong, not genuinely follow the child's cues, but actually encourage the child to feel more distressed than necessary by over-reacting to things. Babies start out with crying as their only means of communication, and but this changes quickly.

My own instinct is to ignore minor physical pain except if a child is genuinely distressed for more than a few moments, but to be very very aware of emotional distress, hurt feelings, sadness.

Milkshakeminer · 25/07/2018 05:31

I cry at everything. When I was little (8ish) at school a horrid boy scratched his own face and blamed me. I was so upset because firstly I didn’t know why he had done it and secondly nobody believed me, whilst I was being told ‘turning on the waterworks won’t help you’ he was smirking behind the teacher. Honestly I don’t even remember his name but it still annoys me. I cry when I’m happy, sad, angry, frustrated, at films, books and the news. It’s just my default and it’s embarrassing so no you’re not being unreasonable

Milkshakeminer · 25/07/2018 05:33

Oh and when I fall over which is embarrassing as an adult but then crying about it makes it so much worse, I think it’s the shock of something unexpected happening rather than pain etc

Echobelly · 25/07/2018 14:25

Good article here that makes the point that while tears do tend to stop an argument in its tracks for a number of reasons, this is not something the women consider a 'win' , because now we can't discuss the issue properly, plus our arguments have been undermined by the tears. jezebel.com/5535148/why-women-cry-because-were-pissed-off

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