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to think there needs to be a maximum working temperature.

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HelenaDove · 23/07/2018 18:14

Ive been shocked to read on here and see and feel in RL how hot some workplaces are getting (namely some of the shops ive been in) some of the posts ive seen on here are really worrying. IMO there needs to be a maximum working temperature . This hot hot weather has gone on MUCH longer than the Beast from the East snow did. Why on earth does there have to be a death in this so called first world country before anything changes........i actually think thats what its probably going to take before anything MIGHT be done .

amp.theguardian.com/careers/2017/jun/21/working-in-a-heatwave-your-legal-rights?__twitter_impression=true

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RoadToRivendell · 24/07/2018 21:07

Entrepreneurial types would find a way to work around it and make more money as a result, and you'd complain about that.

BWrose · 24/07/2018 21:10

I have some family abroad in Australia. They work in construction. They start work very early in the morning, I suppose to beat the severe midday heat.

What is the situation with other countries. For example Spain. I'm not very familiar but do they break up their day and work in short spells?

That probably wouldn't be too ideal for the UK, because you will have people going to work early, going home early and then going back into work again and traveling around.

I think I read somewhere before that in Brazil workers are allowed breaks for a shower.

I wonder would something like that work in some work establishments - a break for a shower.

boys3 · 24/07/2018 21:12

With the current weather more widespread aircon certainly has its appeal; the implications for the environment might present a bit of a conundrum though. I'm sure there are more recent links that the two below; however what many posters seem to be suggesting may well simply make the climate problems worse

www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/22/why-air-conditioning-vicious-circle-weatherwatch

www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/cold-economy-cop21-global-warming-carbon-emissions

m0therofdragons · 24/07/2018 21:17

Absolutely we should strive to improve things but if the government handed £1b over to the nhs tomorrow are we seriously saying air con is the most important thing?

I absolutely agree with relaxing uniform - nurses do not have to wear tights at the moment and ice water stations are on each ward for staff and patients. There are things we can do to help but refusing to work because it's hot isn't acceptable to me.

ThanksForAllTheFish · 24/07/2018 21:17

I used to work in an office that we couldn’t open the windows due to health and safety reasons (old listed building with old fashioned windows that opened right out). We had no air con and the floor fans done nothing to help. We were non customer facing but still expected to wear full business dress every day - no relaxing of rules in hot weather in the of chance a senior staff member in the company might drop by unexpectedly and be appalled to see us in non business dress or in slightly relaxed but still smart dress code.
Our office regularly reached 39 degrees in the summer and nothing was done - we did all get bought ice lolly’s once to help cool us down.

I think stricter rules about maximum working temperatures would force employers to install air conditioning and everyone would be a lot happier, no one likes working in that type of heat. I feel sorry for chefs and kitchen workers who regularly work in high temperatures because it must be so draining working in extreme heat all the time.

HelenaDove · 25/07/2018 22:10

ITV News At Ten "the five hottest years on record have been in the last seven years"

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RoadToRivendell · 26/07/2018 16:44

Would you also like employers to pay the people they've sent home?

HelenaDove · 26/07/2018 16:56

"The UK is “woefully unprepared” for deadly heatwaves, according to a cross-party committee of MPs, with the government ignoring warnings from its official climate change adviser.
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One in five homes dangerously overheats during heatwaves today, the MPs found, while on the hottest day of 2016 alone there were almost 400 heat-related deaths. But climate change has doubled the risk of heatwaves and events even worse than the heat currently baking the nation could occur every other year by the 2040s, the MPs report said, with a tripling of heat deaths to 7,000 a year as a result.

Buildings, particularly hospitals and care homes, must be prepared for heatwaves, the MPs said, with sick and elderly people especially vulnerable to heart and breathing problems. But currently the NHS is only required to prepare plans for severe cold weather and there are no building regulations to prevent overheating with ventilation and shading.

The MPs also called for other measures, including formal guidance from Public Health England to relax office dress codes and allow home working during heatwaves, and to head teachers about relaxing school uniform policy.

The MPs said a public information campaign on the serious dangers of heatwaves was needed and health minister Steve Brine, giving evidence to the MPs in June, acknowledged this: “Heat alerts tend to be seen as barbecue alerts, as opposed to there being a risk.”
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Mary Creagh MP, chair of the environmental audit committee, said: “The government has sat on its hands, ignored the warnings of the Committee on Climate Change (CCC) and left the UK woefully unprepared.” As far back as 2003, a severe heatwave saw temperatures reach 38.5C and more than 2,000 heat-related deaths in 10 days, she said: “But the government has continued to allow homes, hospitals and schools to be built that are not resilient to heatwaves.

Kathryn Brown, head of adaptation at the CCC said: “We have recommended to government every year since 2014 that a new standard or regulation is needed to address the risk from overheating in new homes.” Ministers have rejected the advice, citing a commitment to “reduce net regulation on homebuilders”.
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The government published its updated National Adaptation Strategy on 19 July but Brown said it made no commitment to deal with the issue. “Action is needed now to redouble efforts to tackle overheating – one of the key risks facing the UK from climate change.”

Heatwaves are known killers in the UK and the number of hot days is rising. “It is likely that more than 1,000 people have died in the UK as a result of the extended heatwave conditions this summer,” said Bob Ward, policy director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change at the London School of Economics. “There would justifiably be an outcry if more than 1,000 people had died in a flood.”

“The government’s apparent lack of concern about the growing risks of deadly heatwaves is absolutely woeful,” he said. “The lack of communication by government departments and agencies about the risks of heatwaves is contributing to the death toll every year.”

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The EAC report found that homes in densely populated urban areas, which can be 10C hotter than the countryside, are already at significant risk of overheating, as are certain other buildings, including houses built in the 1960s and 1970s.

“The current lack of regulation to prevent overheating, means that new developments, including hospitals and care homes, which will be around for the next 70 years will add to the number of buildings that overheat,” it said.

Excess deaths in nursing homes increased more than 40% in some parts of the UK during the 2003 heatwave, the MPs reported, but the homes are still not required to report their readiness to cope under NHS emergency preparedness rules.

Heatwaves are also economically costly, the EAC reported, particularly due to lost working days as a result of transport problems. “Only 50% of the UK’s motorways and major roads are surfaced with material that is the most resilient to the kind of summer temperatures the UK is beginning to experience regularly,” the MPs said, while in June, railway tracks buckled in the heat and caused significant delays.

Research cited in the report found that in 2010, 5m staff days were lost due to overheating above 26C, resulting in an economic loss of about £770m.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs did not respond to a request for comment."

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HelenaDove · 26/07/2018 16:57

Well Rivendall If they are WORKING from home as the article suggests then yes.

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RoadToRivendell · 26/07/2018 17:05

Many (most?) still can't work from home.

HelenaDove · 26/07/2018 17:12

yes i know but the elderly residents in the home that a PP works in are at just as much risk as she is.

Nothing has been put in place to address this. Look at her employers attitude FFS. The residents are at high risk but hes not bothered about residents or staff.

i bet he has air con at home.

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HelenaDove · 26/07/2018 18:26

Hospitals now warn the heat is making them as busy as they were during the winter crisis. ITV News.

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LEMtheoriginal · 26/07/2018 18:44

Its my day off today. I cant wait to go back to work tomorrow for the air con! Our old building was like an oven and i honestly don't know how we would have coped.

HelenaDove · 27/07/2018 13:36

TWO glass panels have exploded on a building due to the heat.

twitter.com/AnnaRobinson84/status/1022757605935140866

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Jaxhog · 27/07/2018 14:04

I agree that there should be a maximum indoor working temperature, with exceptions for foundries etc. where there should be limits to the time of exposure.

With regard to buildings, don't forget that these are designed for the weather we 'normally' get. This summer is extremely unusual. To design for all weather extremes would be prohibitively expensive. Schools should have protocols for dealing with weather extremes - it isn't all down to the building.

NicoAndTheNiners · 27/07/2018 14:30

OP you might change your mind if you were a patient in hospital or a labouring woman and found all the staff had gone home.

It’s ok for people in offices but think about all the poor people who have jobs where they can’t just down tools and go.

NicoAndTheNiners · 27/07/2018 14:34

I’m about to put a thick nhs uniform dress on and go to work on a sweltering ward where the windows don’t open and there’s no air con. Huge windows as well so like a greenhouse. No relaxation of uniform rules here. Tights please and certainly no scrubs!

HelenaDove · 27/07/2018 14:41

Jesus Christ im not saying all staff should go home. BUT IF OTHER WORKPLACES INSTALLED AIR CON OR TOOK OTHER STEPS TO KEEP WORKPLACES COOLER YOU WOULD HAVE LESS PATIENTS OR LESS CHANCE OF PATIENTS PRESENTING IN A + E WITH HEAT STROKE.
If the " i have to do it so so should everyone" else is more important that the risk of more patients ending up in hospital and adding to your workload people may start to wonder............

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HelenaDove · 27/07/2018 14:43

Nico there are hospitals in other countries who have air con I cant work out why ours dont..................oh wait.

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HelenaDove · 27/07/2018 14:44

this weather IS becoming the norm.

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JacquesHammer · 27/07/2018 14:45

Would you also like employers to pay the people they've sent home?

Yes of course if they can adequately work from home. But I'm very much an advocate of facilitating more people to work from home where possible.

And of course if people who didn't work in the NHS were able to manage the heat more successfully it might relieve some of the strain on the NHS with weather related admissions

HelenaDove · 27/07/2018 14:48

Exactly Jacques On the news yesterday someone who works in the NHS says its becoming just like it was in the winter crisis

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ChestyNut · 27/07/2018 15:22

nico isn’t there anything in your uniform policy? We can remove tights july to sept Grin

Can’t say it’s helping Blush