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Do working mums get more respect at home

44 replies

LovelyBath77 · 16/07/2018 17:13

Just that really. I wondered, if it is less expected they will be in charge of all the household tasks. As it can seem that way for SAHMs.

OP posts:
BertieBotts · 16/07/2018 21:24

No, I think you're right, it does come from a lack of respect.

It's caused by one of two things IME.

Either they actually see you in the role of "wife" or woman generally as being a kind of class below them, and "women's work" as being beneath them as well. Usually this comes along with a general lack of emotional understanding/support and a sort of vague expectation that looking after the children and the house is what you like to do and basically your responsibility so if they do any of it, it's "helping" and you should be appreciative. They can get quite grumpy when you're not. Will also often claim ignorance of perfectly simple tasks yet have high standards for you completing them. Your work outside the house will be seen as more of a hobby/side thing yet they are sometimes stingy about money which you haven't directly earned yourself. This is a lack of respect on really quite a devastating scale because they don't really think you are equal to them at all. It can vary from benign-ish-but-ingrained sexism (where they think that their "role" makes up for yours) to full on abuse/control from a dominating personality expecting a domestic slave.

Or they are a kind of "modern man who hasn't quite caught up" - ie they think they are doing their fair share but their norms are so utterly screwed up by patriarchy/their own childhood/stereotypes in general that they are blind to about 80% of what you're doing, mainly the invisible "wifework" but also in terms of stuff they are actually participating in as well, like they'll cook once a week and then sit back all pleased or feel like because they give you a lie in one morning a week and do some of the childcare drop offs/pick ups that they are sharing 50/50 childcare and they completely miss that you do 100% of nights and 99% bathtimes, or whatever.

I don't think the second is so much a disastrous lack of respect because they probably do genuinely try, but they aren't really looking and seeing, they aren't paying attention, which is a lack of care, which can also translate to a lack of respect when you think of respect in terms of admiring and appreciating what a person does. The good thing is that if your partner is like this but he genuinely cares you can get him on board by communicating that you're unhappy with the current division of things and pointing out where and how it's unequal - it's just a case of catching it at the right moment and saying it in the right way - although unfortunately it may take a lot of repeating to get through because this stuff is SO ingrained, or it might be that you have to take it as a slow slog pointing out one issue at a time because to basically call your partner a shirking workshy git all in one go might get them to react a bit defensively Grin

Useful (possibly) stuff:
english.emmaclit.com/2017/05/20/you-shouldve-asked/

mustbethistalltoride.com/2016/01/14/she-divorced-me-because-i-left-dishes-by-the-sink/

www.amazon.co.uk/Wifework-Susan-Maushart/dp/0747561729?tag=mumsnetforum-21

I don't think working or lack of it is the cause of the respect stuff, it's underlying beliefs, although if you both work the same amount of hours, it might force more awareness of the discrepancy in house stuff - although IME the "invisible" stuff is all still there, the management, the admin, the children's social calendars and the nail cutting and so on and sometimes some more visible but seemingly unnoticed stuff like cooking and meal planning, night time parenting, and so on.

cheminotte · 16/07/2018 21:31

Excellent points there Bertie .
I do think dads who never have to do any looking after sick kids, leaving work ‘early’ (before 6pm) to pick up kids etc really don’t appreciate what their wives do.
I agree with a PP that a school hours job is the worst of both worlds.

Drumknott · 16/07/2018 21:32

What she said
BertieBotts has laid it out better than I've ever seen before. That's it, essentially.

Mokepon · 16/07/2018 21:37

Hahaha .

I work FT.
I organise pretty much all childcare arrangements.
I do most of the cleaning and sometimes (like tonight) I get annoyed and DH gets arsey because he thinks he pulls his weight.
And tbf he does do a bit. But if I have a day off I, more often than not, blitz the house or am with the children. He, more often than not, gives himself some time to chill and relax before work.
So no, I don't get more respect, even though my job is awesome and pays the majority of our bills.

It's a fucking crock of shit. Like the saying goes we didn't get to have it all, we get to do it all.

Heatherjayne1972 · 16/07/2018 21:49

When I was married I did all the household jobs and worked outside the home
He couldn’t possibly do any household jobs as he ‘had to go to work’

So yeah depends on the partner

Louiselouie0890 · 16/07/2018 21:53

My OH respected me more when I didn't work.

Llanali · 16/07/2018 21:58

Respect in my marriage is nothing to do with employment.

But, incidentally, my husband is a stay at home dad and I work FT away. I get less respect and a lot more judgement at pre school etc than he does.

Mokepon · 16/07/2018 22:05

@Llanali
Yup. Our first child, DH was a sahd. I was 'lucky' to go home to dinner/washing done etc.
My response was "Isn't he lucky too, to have someone else work to pay the mortgage and feed us." But then you are a moody bitch so you can't win!
Sorry if I'm ranting I'm very annoyed tonight and probably have drink more wine than is strictly sensible on a work night.

megletthesecond · 16/07/2018 22:19

Not here. (LP).
My kids hate me working and refuse to lift a finger at home.

BackforGood · 16/07/2018 22:24

I agree with those saying that "who does what" around household chores, is not related to "being respected".

Which do you want to talk about, OP ?

Sparrowlegs248 · 16/07/2018 22:33

Depends on the partnership and the people in it. For me, there was no respect either way.

TheNavigator · 16/07/2018 22:35

My OH respected me more when I didn't work.

That is interesting - why is that? Does your OH think a woman's place is in the home or does he not respect your job?

Bottleup · 16/07/2018 22:50

I was a SAHM and went back to work partly because I was sick of feeling like a dogsbody who nobody respected. For me being back at work has really helped. I have an excellent nanny who takes care of most of the stuff I used to and earn more than my husband and but whatever the he'll I like without him grumbling.

BoxsetsAndPopcorn · 16/07/2018 22:55

Would I respect my husband if he opted out of working and left it to me to finance everything? No, certainly not as that's not a partnership. We share everything, mutual respect and good role models as I don't want them seeing a 1950s family.

I dont think there anything wrong with expecting the non working person to pick up all the household stuff when they are home all day with no job or employer demands.

Missbrick1 · 16/07/2018 22:58

Not sure respect is linked to household chores.

In my friendship group 90% of us work pt & feel that continuing to work enables us to be more independent, etc. Thats not to say SAH mums can’t be though. Maybe it’s a generational thing? our identities being tied to work? I’m not sure. From a young age it was drilled into us to go to university & get a good career so tbh myself & my friends have never considered not working.

Louiselouie0890 · 19/07/2018 00:15

the navigator we have the same job so it can't be that. He's definitely not womans place at home type. I'm not sure maybe life is more stressful now we're juggling it all. Maybe he enjoyed seeing me enjoying raising the kids. I'm not sure but he definitely treated me better when I never worked.

planetclom · 19/07/2018 00:59

😂😂

stopgap · 19/07/2018 01:10

SAHM here and my husband absolutely respects me. We do see ourselves as part of a team. I have a cleaning person once a week, but otherwise do all cleaning and laundry, and he does all the cooking (he loves cooking), and perhaps a third of the week he puts the children to bed.

I think a lot of women—working or otherwise—get a rough deal, judging by the reams of posts on here about women who do everything in the home, including an unequal amount of childcare.

TheNavigator · 19/07/2018 10:08

He's definitely not womans place at home type. I'm not sure maybe life is more stressful now we're juggling it all. Maybe he enjoyed seeing me enjoying raising the kids. I'm not sure but he definitely treated me better when I never worked.

Louiselouie0890 that is a shame, it must be hard for you. Your DH should be supportive, not treat you less well because you aren't making his life easier. My parent's marriage ultimately broke down partly because my dad didn't want my mum to work. That was the 1970s - you would like to think things have moved on since then.

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