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New landlord is upping my rent by £250pm

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Snoophoggyhog · 15/07/2018 20:45

My landlady passed away before Christmas and has left this house and a few others to her nephew. I'd heard nothing for months other than from a solicitor to say to now pay the rent to them which I've been doing. Yesterday I received a solicitors letter saying that my new landlord can't afford the inheritance tax and therefore proposes to raise my rent by £250pm! My rent has been a bit lower than other houses in my area because it is quite dated and the landlady wouldn't do any work on it. Over the 8 years I've lived here I've paid for a new kitchen, carpet and redecorated throughout, new windows, cavity wall and loft insulation, had a shower fitted, new radiators and boiler, new fence panels and other odd jobs. There's things that need doing but it seems he just wants to put the rent up and not maintain the house. It's never had gas and electric safely checks and I had all the fire alarms fitted. AIBU to say I won't pay more rent until the house is modernized and safety checks done or will he just hand me my notice? It says in the letter if I can't afford the extra money I will have to move out. There are no oother properties suitable nearby and my ds 5 is settled at his local school. TY in advance for any advice, experiences

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Jonbb · 15/07/2018 23:24

Etymology It was Jan Luba sitting as circuit judge so very persuasive, but I have corrected myself in that this is the case for tenancy granted after 1 Oct 2015. Caridon Property Ltd v Monty Shooltz, Central London County Court. 2 February 2018. Which for OP might be a real shame. Basically why would you accept a new tenancy If you were not served the gas safety cert? Just refuse and the LL is in a pickle! Which they deserve to be if they haven't been complying with their statutory duties. About time too, bad LLs give the rest of us a bad name.

Snoophoggyhog · 15/07/2018 23:24

It's not that easy to save up to buy when I've been on my own for a large period of that time. I was ok with doing the house up with the rent being as it was. It's common round here for rent to be cheaper if you do the work yourself but new LL wants more rent but no responsibility for the house. The neice who inherited the other houses on my road didn't put the rent up. It was not £200 below market value before the work was done by me

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Timeisslippingaway · 15/07/2018 23:26

Why on earth did you do so much work to a rented house?

Snoophoggyhog · 15/07/2018 23:28

Thank you for all your advice so far. Feeling slightly better about it all and its clearer in my head who I need to contact and what I need to say. If the house wasn't in such a lovely location I'd look for something else pronto but it's difficult to find somewhere round here. I just feel that £250 is very steep in one go and it only came about nve he received his tax bill

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ainsisoisje · 15/07/2018 23:31

I’d second what @MsSquiz says. Especially if he is a jump the gun type inexperienced landlord he may just be doing what he thinks he should without really knowing may have gone to his head, which sounds like he might be. You could play hard ball and say you’ll sue or something for breach of safety laws as they absolutely have to do a yearly gas check as the absolute minimum as all landlords do even private ones. But I’d try making him see the light first, where else would he find someone who would do kitchens/windows etc?! He’d be nuts to let you go.

cmwife · 15/07/2018 23:31

This is why I suggested the response above. It points out that if you leave you'll be able to take the improvements with you. It's designed to make him think "Look, the tenant has done a lot of work on the property which might be undone if she leaves. Then I'll either have to take less rent than I want as the property will be devalued or spend money (which I don't have) renovating before another tenant moves in. It might also take longer to get a new tenant. I'm getting a small increase in rent, and already have a big inheritance tax cost, so may I should stick with the current tenant". Better the devil you know, in other words. Grin. He's trying it on. Try it on yourself. You have some power here!

Honflyr · 15/07/2018 23:34

@MsSquiz

Ah, thanks. That explains it - I don't think we've ever had one but then I don't think we have any gas appliances in our flat (boiler is in communal area).

Snoophoggyhog · 15/07/2018 23:38

Thank you. I've just got so used to paying what I pay that it's alot extra to find and because I've done the work over a number of years I've not really thought about it until listing it all. Some of the work was in return for favours ... I cleaned a friend's house when he was moving out and did his garden and he replaced stop tap and helped me to decorate in return. It was so difficult to get in contact or get an answer off LL it just seemed easier to do it myself.

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ButtonMoonLoon · 15/07/2018 23:39

Have you checked on entitledto.com to make sure that you're receiving your full entitlements?
If you get some wtc then you may also get housing benefit too.

Snoophoggyhog · 15/07/2018 23:41

Thanks. I might be able to get some help if rent does go up by that much but can't do anything until I have a tenancy agreement

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Pythonesque · 15/07/2018 23:43

I think your landlord needs to understand what his costs will be if he has to get this house ready to be let to a new tenant.

Amongst other things, the new EPC rules mean that not only does he have to ensure it has a minimum E rating in order to let to a new tenant, but I think also if you go onto a new contract. So I think he needs to get an EPC certificate urgently (you can look these up easily on line to see if the property already has one).

Snoophoggyhog · 15/07/2018 23:56

Thanks. Just looked.on the EPC site and there's a certificate dated 2009 when I had a new boiler fitted and that's the last one issued

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AudiQ2 · 15/07/2018 23:56

If you have no contract at all then you have ZERO rights - none at all.

Citizens Advice will tell you the same I'm afraid. He could kick you out tomorrow! Courts/Police couldn't do a thing about it, sadly.

I would reply in writing to demand a tenancy agreement

Jonbb · 15/07/2018 23:59

Some more info for OP as some posters have not been correct. The ll cannot just increase the rent. There must be a rent review clause in the tenancy agreement, or it can be increased by agreement with the tenant, or a s13 housing act document must be served with the proposed new rent, giving at least a months notice. As there is no written contract the ll should really serve a s13. There is an appeal process to the property chamber tribunal if you believe the rent proposed is too high. It might be better for OP to keep quiet about the gsc and epc not being complied with, and negotiate with the ll a new rent, say 125 if he will agree, and get a new fixed term contract. As the new TA will be after 1 Oct 2015, the ll will not be able to serve a s21 if he hasn't done the gsc. At the end of the fixed term, he will have to issue a further fixed term tenancy and comply with the gsc and epc then he could serve notice 2 months before the end of the 2nd fixed term. Sneaky Smile This is providing the case I quoted doesn't go to appeal, and there isn't any sign of it! The ll will get v tied up in knots with this . . . It gives OP 2 years more.

Jonbb · 16/07/2018 00:01

AudiQ2 absolute twaddle. Op take no notice Hmm

AudiQ2 · 16/07/2018 00:03

@NynaeveSedai De facto agreement only if there was an original agreement in place so that is all incorrect. Never an agreement = never any rights

flopsyrabbit1 · 16/07/2018 00:07

He sounds like he hasnt a clue about letting and poor lamb having to maybe sell a property to pay IT

Good luck op

TwatSlapper · 16/07/2018 00:13

Audi You are 100% incorrect. Kindly do not attempt to offer advice on a subject you know nothing about.

If there is no written contract, the law assumes one. Everyone who pays rent on a property to a live-out landlord has a STATUTORY assured short hold tenancy.

Look it up.

mydogisthebest · 16/07/2018 00:18

Jonbb, when our landlord wanted to put the rent up we got onto Shelter and CAB. We were told a landlord can put the rent up by whatever they like although, obviously, the tenant does not have to agree.

If there is no tenancy agreement or the existing one has ended there does not have to be a rent review clause in it. Also isn't the property chamber tribunal only for Scotland? I don't think the OP is in Scotland are they?

Kursk · 16/07/2018 00:30

In your position I would propose a rent to buy agreement. (Owner finance) and buy the house from him.

Jonbb · 16/07/2018 00:36

mydogisthebest Best stick to what you know. If you know the law fine, but you don't, so best you don't add anymore as you may mislead the OP which would not be helpful. You can find all the info to update your knowledge on the links I have posted.

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T540 Guidance on Rent Cases General information about the process (01.17) © Crown copyright 2017
T540
First-tier Tribunal Property Chamber (Residential Property)
Guidance on Rent Cases
General information about the process
This guidance is intended to help parties understand what happens when taking part in
an application to the First-tier Tribunal Property Chamber (Residential Property), formerly
the Rent Assessment Committee. For advice on how to present your case, or if you need
to understand more about the law, you may wish to consult a Citizen’s Advice Bureau or a
solicitor.
We try to avoid using jargon but if there is anything about our procedures you do not
understand please contact the regional tribunal office. Regional office details are at the end
of this guidance.
Please note that tribunal decisions will be published on
www.residential-property.judiciary.gov.uk/search/decision_search.jsp unless a party makes
a written request that this should not be done.
Types of rent cases
There are two types of rents cases, depending on the tenancy involved.

  1. Fair rent cases
When a rent officer fixes a fair rent for a property under the Rent Act 1977, either landlord or tenant can lodge an objection to the rent with the rent officer who then refers the matter to this tribunal.
  1. Market rent cases
Market rent cases are referred to this tribunal in one of four ways. (a) Where the landlord under an assured, or assured shorthold, periodic tenancy has served a notice on the tenant, under section 13 of the Housing Act 1988, proposing a rent increase to take effect at the beginning of a new period of thetenancy specified in the notice. At any time before the proposed date of increase, the tenant may refer that notice to this tribunal for an assessment by the tribunal of the rent to be payable. The tribunal must receive that application before the date specified in the landlord’s notice of increase. (b) Where a tenant, under an assured shorthold tenancy, is dissatisfied with the rent payable under the tenancy, an application can be made to this tribunal under section 22 of the Housing Act 1988, provided it is received within the first six months of the initial tenancy. If the tribunal considers the rent to be significantly higher than could reasonably be expected, the tribunal will determine a market rent for that tenancy. (c) Where a fixed term assured, or assured shorthold, tenancy has come to an end and the landlord or tenant has, by notice under section 6 of the Housing Act 1988, proposed new terms for the statutory periodic tenancy which has automatically started. The recipient can refer the notice to this tribunal for it to determine the new terms, including rent.
DayAtTheRaces · 16/07/2018 00:37

O/P - check out the “Residential Letting Questions” forum on www.landlordzone.co.uk

There may (or not be - you can do a search) a similar query to yours posted there already but if not, ask the same questions you have originally posted here on MN.

There are some very experienced LLs who know all the laws about property Letting and I’m sure they will give you practical advice:

www.landlordzone.co.uk

mydogisthebest · 16/07/2018 00:38

That's strange because I have never heard of such a tribunal plus CAB and Shelter never mentioned it.